VFW to boycott Chiefs etc

[Mr. Laz]

Apparently VFW halls are going to boycott any team that protest during the national Anthem.

Chiefs,Seattle,49ers etc

[Jilly]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

In college one of my professors had a sentence diagram of the SSB on her door. Wish I could find an example of that.

Oh, I'd love to see that!

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by jjchieffan

I think the point is that they fought to defend that flag and that the anthem was written during and about a battle for this country. They feel disrespected for the price paid by those who have served. And frankly, I don't blame them. They are being disrespected by these ridiculous protests. As far as I'm concerned, Kaep is a traitor. I didn't realize that the Chiefs were showing solidarity with that piece of trash at the time. But once I read that they did, I was very disappointed in them for it.

I don't like what they did, but the outrage we are seeing is ridiculously overblown. There are REAL problems in this country to be mad about. This isn't one of them. It is just a handful of players no one ever gave a shit about anyway. Let it go.

Kaep is a traitor?

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by splatbass

I don't like what they did, but the outrage we are seeing is ridiculously overblown. There are REAL problems in this country to be mad about. This isn't one of them. It is just a handful of players no one ever gave a shit about anyway. Let it go.

Kaep is a traitor?

Just to be clear: You didn't like the linking of arms?

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Careful, you guys are gonna perplex Mr. Flopnuts.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

No hard on, just concern.

You stated you were perplexed by a fairly simple concept earlier. So perplexed you made what appeared to be a public plea for clarification.

I tried to help.

Then these other two come in and completely twist the system by getting mad at the people getting mad at the people who are mad.

Just trying to keep your knickers untwisted.

Originally Posted by DaFace

I'm a bit perplexed by the contradictory ideas of defending the freedoms of the U.S. while simultaneously being pissed off by someone exercising those freedoms.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

What do you find perplexing?

Just because I value your right to express yourself freely doesn't mean I have to like anything you say, or the manner you choose to do so.

You were saying? Your hard on for me is so strong you attribute other poster's as being me whenever the mood strikes. I find it fascinating, and somewhat titillating. I'm glad I've constantly got your attention, counselor.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

You were saying? Your hard on for me is so strong you attribute other poster's as being me whenever the mood strikes. I find it fascinating, and somewhat titillating. I'm glad I've constantly got your attention, counselor.

I apologize for mixing the two of you up, But opposite your conclusion, it was because I didn't put much thought into who said it and didn't go back to confirm. I thought I remembered your prior avatar in the area and went with it.

I give you no more thought than any other poster. Sorry.

Thanks for going back and cataloguing the thread to make your point just for me, though.

[Rausch]

I didn't see what the Chiefs did as a protest - I saw it as a display of unity.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I think both teams were treading a fine line being a tad coy with their message.

As best I can divine, their message was;

teammates differed in their responses
doing nothing would stifle those who wished to protest
linking arms was served the somewhat conflicting purposes of doing something, remaining respectful, acknowledging differences on the team, but most importantly acting in unity as a team.

The basic message was 'we recognize that some people wish to do something to protest the appearance of the flag and the sound of the anthem. We also recognize that that some wish to show their respect as much or more than ever. So we're acting as a team in a neutral manner to show that unity among us overrides individual preferences.'

I think this was it exactly.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by temper11

I think this was it exactly.

This.

And I think the Chiefs took option no 3...

[redshirt32]

dont bring your baggage to work, no one gives a rat ass

To many ways to help your cause wthout bringing my parking tickets and high dollar seats into play.
Play the game instead of exploiting your view on my dime.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by MTG#10

Its my freedom to laugh and point at kids with Down Syndrome. Doesn't make it okay.

This is not a good comparison because making fun of a kid with Down syndrome is malicious and mean-spirited, neither of which would any reasonable person relate to sitting/kneeling during the national anthem. There's clearly a victim in your scenario, not so much in Kaep's case.

Your comparison is tantamount (paramount?) to the anti-gay crowd saying we shouldn't allow same-sex marriage because people will then start marrying their kids, pets, etc.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by Fish

He's a dumb athlete using his only platform. But let's not act like he hasn't tried to explain his intentions repeatedly. He's said over and over that his beef is with the government and police, and not the military. The quote above is one of many defining his criticisms. The problem is that people are completely ignoring that.

The reason most find it offensive is because when I stand for the national anthem and put my hand over my heart, I'm thinking about our military. I'm thinking about my father who served, I'm thinking about what all of those men and women who have fought for this country have given to me and my family. I'm not thinking about politicians... I'm not thinking about the police.

So when I first heard of this protest from Kap, my first thought was, like many others, he's disrespecting our country, he's disrespecting our military, he's disrespecting the flag. He's disrespecting all of the people who died fighting for the north in the civil war to ensure that it isn't a confederate flag flying at the top of stadiums. The American flag, as a symbol, is pure. It represents the idea that all "men" are equal. It represents a country who's rule of law recognizes that all "men" are equal.

I have no problem with him trying to continue the conversation of racial injustices, but it shouldn't be directed at the flag or the national anthem.

His name recognition would have been plenty to get his message across if he'd have grabbed a picket sign and went and demonstrated in front of the capital. Or spoke at a black lives matter rally. It still would have raised eye brows... it still would have been controversial. Hell, why didn't he just wear his pig/cop socks to the games? That at least would have been a protest that would have been on message. He's disrespecting the wrong thing with his sitting/kneeling for the national anthem.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Just to be clear: You didn't like the linking of arms?

Just to be clear, what other people do is not my concern. I am responsible for myself. and I think getting constantly outraged over what others do is a waste of time.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by redshirt32

dont bring your baggage to work, no one gives a rat ass

To many ways to help your cause wthout bringing my parking tickets and high dollar seats into play.
Play the game instead of exploiting your view on my dime.

1. Many people apparently give a lot more than a rat's ass over this.
2. Your choice to attend.
3. Not your dime.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by splatbass

Just to be clear, what other people do is not my concern. I am responsible for myself. and I think getting constantly outraged over what others do is a waste of time.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by temper11

He's disrespecting the wrong thing with his sitting/kneeling for the national anthem.

In your opinion.

The flag is a symbol and doesn't represent the same thing/s to every person.