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Old 09-14-2016, 10:19 AM  
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VFW to boycott Chiefs etc
Apparently VFW halls are going to boycott any team that protest during the national Anthem.

Chiefs,Seattle,49ers etc
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Old 09-14-2016, 12:44 PM   #46
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He has repeatedly stated that he has great respect for those who have fought in the military, and that's not what he's protesting. He's protesting that in his opinion the government hasn't held up its end of the bargain. Why don't you try and take a little effort to understand what he's actually said before declaring him a traitor?
If we're going to talk about 'effort' why doesn't CK take a little effort and protest in a manner that more clearly and coherently targets those he intends to expose and criticize?
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Old 09-14-2016, 12:55 PM   #47
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:00 PM   #48
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Everybody likes to be offended.

BTW, how does a VFW hall "boycott" an NFL team? Not turn the dial to a particular game?
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:01 PM   #49
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:06 PM   #50
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If we're going to talk about 'effort' why doesn't CK take a little effort and protest in a manner that more clearly and coherently targets those he intends to expose and criticize?
He's a dumb athlete using his only platform. But let's not act like he hasn't tried to explain his intentions repeatedly. He's said over and over that his beef is with the government and police, and not the military. The quote above is one of many defining his criticisms. The problem is that people are completely ignoring that.
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:12 PM   #51
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You know what I find offensive?

http://dailysnark.com/nfl-bans-fans-...abe-last-name/

The fact that they misspelled Harambe in the title.

Everyone was getting offended, so I wanted to try to be offended, too.
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:31 PM   #52
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:48 PM   #53
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:48 PM   #54
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He's a dumb athlete using his only platform. But let's not act like he hasn't tried to explain his intentions repeatedly. He's said over and over that his beef is with the government and police, and not the military. The quote above is one of many defining his criticisms. The problem is that people are completely ignoring that.
The problems are two-fold on CK's part.

The first level is his initial act was overly broad and directly at a subject of passion. For better or worse his statement was 'everything about the flag and anthem you revere [whatever that may be individually]. . . .Yeah, **** that. I'ma sit over here and purposefully decline.'

It's kind of a 'mess with the bull, get the horns' situation.

Imagine if one had a beef with some aspect of labor practices tangentially associated with the Walt Disney Corporation. So you got to the front gate of Disney World opening day, with hordes of tourists and families and groups of schoolkids all on their big vacation day and started shouting '**** Mickey Mouse!!'

Now, after they tackle you and arrest you in front of God and everyone you start clarifying your complaints.

You're still the '**** Mickey' guy for all who witnessed.

This gets to the secondary problem, which we haven't even addressed yet, because, at least in my case, we're waiting for CK to say something concrete.

His message, even when clarified, is still muddled. It's limited to government and police. But it's still a generalized complaint of oppression. It is troubling that he appears to be comingling matters of varying reasonability and outrage under one umbrella. He lists Michael Brown, Sandra Bland, Trayvon Martin, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice and others as 'murdered by the government.' Strong terms, objectively inapplicable in many instances and subjectively questionable in others. Sullying the legitimate criticisms in the process.

And people applaud him for 'starting a conversation.' Perhaps it's a blind spot of myself personally, who overestimates the attention span of the populace, but I ask 'which conversation specifically?' And 'if the conversation hasn't already started months or years ago, what have we been talking about all this time?'
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:58 PM   #56
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This is so ****ing stupid. We're really taking 2015 the year of everybody being offended to historically reeruned levels.
Naw, we're back to 2000 levels when everyone cried like bitches about John Rockers "offensive" comments. That's when people started being babies about athlete opinions.
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Old 09-14-2016, 02:13 PM   #57
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Veterans protesting against people exercising the very rights veterans fought and died for. Makes sense
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Old 09-14-2016, 02:14 PM   #58
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My wife just read on facebook that the Chiefs players disrespected the flag and she actually told me I should proest by not watching them play .


Well, that ain't gonna happen.


But I'm willing to pitch in $50 if someone will hire that damn plane to fly a banner that says "RESPECT THE FLAG"
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My wife just read on facebook that the Chiefs players disrespected the flag and she actually told me I should proest by not watching them play .


Well, that ain't gonna happen.


But I'm willing to pitch in $50 if someone will hire that damn plane to fly a banner that says "RESPECT THE FLAG"
How did they disrespect the flag?
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Personally I just wish they did the National Anthem before the players came out on the field, so I wouldn't have to hear so many stupid hot takes about this issue.
That may be the solution.
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