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Old 09-23-2013, 05:23 AM  
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Why Can't I Grill A Decent Steak?
Grilled steaks last night, they came out ok but not great. Good cuts of meat but they weren't juicy like a restaurant. I only turned them once, used high heat. I like them medium rate.
I have 2 grills, gas and infra red, just can't seem to get the perfect streak.
Anyone have any tips?
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Old 10-27-2016, 12:25 PM   #451
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I have that system. I typically use the stainless insert instead of the cast iron; I have a hell of a time overcooking steaks on that cast iron grate.

Maybe the only time on this forum you'll hear me say I'd rather use the SS over CI.
I don't even have the cast iron grate. I looked at it and decided it would manage to do neither thing terribly well.

Use the flat-top center or the SS. There's too much compromise on both directions with the CI grate.
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Old 10-27-2016, 12:30 PM   #452
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HA! You're three years too late, Kenji....
Was that already posted? I'm not going through 450 posts to see.

And Kenji's article came out in June 2013; this thread was created in September 2013. So Kenji was ahead of this post.
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Old 10-27-2016, 12:31 PM   #453
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Ger your steaks out of the fridge and let them get to room temp. Get out your cast iron skillet. Preheat oven to 500 degrees. On stovetop crank it to high. Let the skillet heat up. Season steaks with salt and pepper. Sear steaks on all sides for a couple of minutes. Not too long, you just want a good crust. Place a nice pat of butter on top of each steak. Jab a meat thermometer in the steak. Obviously, I am talking about an oven proof thermometer with a cord. Move the skillet into the oven. Take out when you get to medium rare. Let them rest a few minutes before eating.
Do you rub any olive oil on the steak before you throw it in the skillet on the stovetop?
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I don't even have the cast iron grate. I looked at it and decided it would manage to do neither thing terribly well.

Use the flat-top center or the SS. There's too much compromise on both directions with the CI grate.
It does a nice sear, that's for sure. But I think with the grate plus the heat from the grill, what I've come to know as normal cook times is just out the window. I've ruined too many steaks on that grate.
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Was that already posted? I'm not going through 450 posts to see.

And Kenji's article came out in June 2013; this thread was created in September 2013. So Kenji was ahead of this post.
Well !@#$

Yeah, that was my first post on the subject (click on the little arrow on the quote and it takes you to the original post, FYI).

So Kenji actually did beat me to it. Bastich.
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Do you rub any olive oil on the steak before you throw it in the skillet on the stovetop?
Smoke point is too low on olive oil, IMO. Too much smoke and not enough impact.

Canola will work better. Peanut oil has a bit too much flavor for me but if you can get some sunflower oil I think it works nicely.

But I really don't recommend olive oil for a high heat application like that.
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Well !@#$

Yeah, that was my first post on the subject (click on the little arrow on the quote and it takes you to the original post, FYI).

So Kenji actually did beat me to it. Bastich.
I did (click). I didn't see that you talked about leaving it at room temp at all, just about drying it off (more later).

The general theory is leaving it at room temp for 20 minutes will bring the piece of meat closer to it's final temp. The Serious Eats article I quoted specifically lays out that this is untrue, and why it's basically a waste of time.

You're point about drying it off is ENTIRELY true. I previously suggested that if you salt a day ahead like I do, leave it in the fridge uncovered on a rack; the fridge will dry out the surface spectacularly.
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Smoke point is too low on olive oil, IMO. Too much smoke and not enough impact.

Canola will work better. Peanut oil has a bit too much flavor for me but if you can get some sunflower oil I think it works nicely.

But I really don't recommend olive oil for a high heat application like that.
In thinking about cast iron skillet in the broiler method: would you use any type of oil at all when you put it on the stovetop to form crust before placing in the broiler?
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Smoke point is too low on olive oil, IMO. Too much smoke and not enough impact.

Canola will work better. Peanut oil has a bit too much flavor for me but if you can get some sunflower oil I think it works nicely.

But I really don't recommend olive oil for a high heat application like that.
It's all about the ghee, my friend. Best flavor, higher smoke point...
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Pan seared with butter, crushed garlic clove and fresh rosemary. Keep basting steak until done.
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Pan seared with butter, crushed garlic clove and fresh rosemary.
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In thinking about cast iron skillet in the broiler method: would you use any type of oil at all when you put it on the stovetop to form crust before placing in the broiler?
A brush of canola couldn't hurt.

Though yes, FMB is right in that ghee is the absolute best way to go, I just don't know where to acquire it and I'm damn sure not going through the trouble of making it.

In either event, turn on your oven hood and open some windows. You'll get plenty of smoke during the high heat/sear portion on the stovetop and when you open that oven door after you put it in there for a few minutes, you'll have even more come rolling out.

That method creates a LOT of smoke.
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I did (click). I didn't see that you talked about leaving it at room temp at all, just about drying it off (more later).

The general theory is leaving it at room temp for 20 minutes will bring the piece of meat closer to it's final temp. The Serious Eats article I quoted specifically lays out that this is untrue, and why it's basically a waste of time.

You're point about drying it off is ENTIRELY true. I previously suggested that if you salt a day ahead like I do, leave it in the fridge uncovered on a rack; the fridge will dry out the surface spectacularly.
I didn't talk about the room temperature thing; I was just jumping off his conclusion in the article. And yeah, I can see the condenser in the fridge doing a hell of a job drying off the surface of a steak.
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A brush of canola couldn't hurt.



Though yes, FMB is right in that ghee is the absolute best way to go, I just don't know where to acquire it and I'm damn sure not going through the trouble of making it.



In either event, turn on your oven hood and open some windows. You'll get plenty of smoke during the high heat/sear portion on the stovetop and when you open that oven door after you put it in there for a few minutes, you'll have even more come rolling out.



That method creates a LOT of smoke.


It's sooooo easy to make, though.
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