Chiefs Which Chiefs QB do You Dislike the Most???!?! - Page 2

rico · 05-28-2016, 07:49 AM

I was at work last night, thinking about how frustrating the Cassel era was and thought to myself, "man, I doubt there has ever been a QB that has started a substantial amount of games for the Chiefs that was despised as much as Matty Melt Cassel.

Then I started to think about it.

We've had to put up with some frustrating, unlikable QB's. I wonder how I would have felt about Todd Blackledge if I were a decade and a half older than I am... I wonder if my disdain for Elvis Grbac would be more prominent, if I weren't an early teenager while he took the reigns.
I figured it'd be interesting to see who is the most despised QB in the history
of the Chiefs, poll-style. I will only include QB's who have started 10+ games for the teams.

I am the most interested in seeing how the old-timers respond to this.

rico · 05-28-2016, 08:18 AM

I remember Dane (I think) saying once that he HATED Kenney... that was ahead of my time... I don't know what the story is on him...

Comanche · 05-28-2016, 08:18 AM

"Old Timer" Here. Blackledge was the seventh pick in the first round of the 1983 NFL Draft. Since that time, the Chiefs organization has been afraid to risk another high profile selection of a QB in the first round. Ultimately, this has caused a much more lasting damage to the Chief's organization than Matt Cassel. Cassel was just a poor player. In the history of the Chiefs and the League, there have been MANY poor players and there will be many more. No, the lasting legacy of the Blackledge selection is in the mindset created in the front office. The Chiefs need to draft a QB in the first, develop his talent and build a team around him. They are afraid to do so because of the Blackledge selection. Yes, the front office can and should just "get over it." Nevertheless, it has seemed to be a factor in their decision making over the years.

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Originally Posted by AJKCFAN

Blackledge and it really isn't even close.

Drafting him over Dan Marino and also Jim Kelly. I mean, WTF! Chiefs franchise would have been so much better off and successful if they take either one.

And it still stings to this day as it is now THIRTY-THREE years since they last drafted a QB in the first round. 1983. The year the Orioles last won a World Series, the Raiders last won a Super Bowl, the 76ers last won a NBA Championship, the Islanders last won a Stanley Cup, NC State last won a college basketball Championship and also the year the Chiefs last drafted a QB in the first round.

Simply unreal.

Cassel may have sucked more but doesn't come close to the Chernobyl like effect taking Blackledge did to the history of the Chiefs franchise....

**Rain Man** · 05-28-2016, 08:21 AM

I'm annoyed that most of Joe Montana's media coverage shows him playing for some other team.

**New World Order** · 05-28-2016, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dagnabit

Blackledge. Made the organization what it is today. The others are just symptoms of the disease.

Absolutely this.

Comanche · 05-28-2016, 08:26 AM

Kenny played in the Pro Bowl and could throw bombs (and complete them). He set team records for passing yards (4,348) and completions (346) in a season. He had one really good receiver, Carlos Carson, who hauled in 80 passes for 1,351 yards. The rest of the team couldn't support him much.

rico · 05-28-2016, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'm annoyed that most of Joe Montana's media coverage shows him playing for some other team.

I know, man! Sometimes I have to remind people that he played a couple years for the Chiefs... it's like to non-Chiefs fans, he was forgotten as a Chief. Hell, he was awesome to watch as a Chief.

stumppy · 05-28-2016, 08:27 AM

If you asked who was the worst QB for the Chiefs I'd have to say Blackledge of course. Although I do hate/dislike him for that I wasn't much of a fan back then and rarely even watched a game. Enduring the Cassle years, watching every single game he played as a Chiefs has made him the hated/disliked QB for me.

Oh yea, **** YOU MATT CASSEL

**wazu** · 05-28-2016, 08:35 AM

The only Chiefs QB I have "sports hate" for would be Cassel. He was ultimately less damaging to the franchise than Blackledge, Grbac, or Bono, but it was partly because of those other guys that my disgust factor with Cassel's presence on our team was so high. We'd already seen this episode, and it was infuriating. Plus he was soooo bad. Now that Cassel is gone, I still actively root against him each year when some misguided team thinks he can "step in" cause he's a "veteran". And then he promptly proceeds to be worse than any developmental 4th string QB on their roster would have been.

milkman · 05-28-2016, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Comanche

"Old Timer" Here. Blackledge was the seventh pick in the first round of the 1983 NFL Draft. Since that time, the Chiefs organization has been afraid to risk another high profile selection of a QB in the first round. Ultimately, this has caused a much more lasting damage to the Chief's organization than Matt Cassel. Cassel was just a poor player. In the history of the Chiefs and the League, there have been MANY poor players and there will be many more. No, the lasting legacy of the Blackledge selection is in the mindset created in the front office. The Chiefs need to draft a QB in the first, develop his talent and build a team around him. They are afraid to do so because of the Blackledge selection. Yes, the front office can and should just "get over it." Nevertheless, it has seemed to be a factor in their decision making over the years.

I don't believe the failure of Blackledge is the reason that the Chiefs haven't drafted a first round QB since.

I believe that the blame for that is on Carl.

He was the man responsible for most of those draft years, and he believed that a veteran QB, the right veteran QB, was a better option than drafting and developing one.

After Carl, Pioli wasn't going to draft anyone to compete with Cassel.

Now, with Dorsey and Reid, there hasn't been that guy that they felt confident with.
I believe if the right guy comes along, they'll make that investment.

milkman · 05-28-2016, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Comanche

Kenny played in the Pro Bowl and could throw bombs (and complete them). He set team records for passing yards (4,348) and completions (346) in a season. He had one really good receiver, Carlos Carson, who hauled in 80 passes for 1,351 yards. The rest of the team couldn't support him much.

Stephone Paige.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-28-2016, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Comanche

"Old Timer" Here. Blackledge was the seventh pick in the first round of the 1983 NFL Draft. Since that time, the Chiefs organization has been afraid to risk another high profile selection of a QB in the first round. Ultimately, this has caused a much more lasting damage to the Chief's organization than Matt Cassel. Cassel was just a poor player. In the history of the Chiefs and the League, there have been MANY poor players and there will be many more. No, the lasting legacy of the Blackledge selection is in the mindset created in the front office. The Chiefs need to draft a QB in the first, develop his talent and build a team around him. They are afraid to do so because of the Blackledge selection. Yes, the front office can and should just "get over it." Nevertheless, it has seemed to be a factor in their decision making over the years.

Reverse team-building is the legacy. The position? An afterthought. A top 10 defense and a steady, unexceptional QB will get you every playoff game you ever lost again and again and again.

milkman · 05-28-2016, 08:48 AM

As to the poll question, for me it is Dave Kreig.

Steve DeBerg wasn't a great QB, obviously, but he had a toughness and grit that made him a likable QB.

Then Carl brings in Kreig to replace, and he wasn't any better than DeBerg, and he lacked that toughness and grit.

I absolutely despised that pussy.

Deberg_1990 · 05-28-2016, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

As to the poll question, for me it is Dave Kreig.

Steve DeBerg wasn't a great QB, obviously, but he had a toughness and grit that made him a likable QB.

Then Carl brings in Kreig to replace, and he wasn't any better than DeBerg, and he lacked that toughness and grit.

I absolutely despised that pussy.

small hands fumblitis

jspchief · 05-28-2016, 09:01 AM

My immediate thought was Cassel. He was a coward of a player and also represents the worst era of Chiefs football since I was old enough to remember being a fan.

Blackledge is another, but ultimately he seems like just the ugly result of a poor front office.

Ugh. I was going to write out this long composition breaking down various qbs but **** it. It's just Cassel. **** that guy. He's stolen so much money and time from nfl fans that I can't even make a realistic case for anyone else. If I had been at the stadium I might have cheered when he got inured (internally at the very least). I would have booed him at that all star game. **** mark castle

Deberg_1990 · 05-28-2016, 09:04 AM

Wheres the Steve Bono hate?

View Poll Results: Which Chiefs QB was/is Your Least Favorite?!?!
Alex Smith	2	1.10%
Matt Cassel	105	58.01%
Tyler Thigpen	2	1.10%
Damon Huard	5	2.76%
Trent Green	1	0.55%
Brodie Croyle	9	4.97%
Rich Gannon	3	1.66%
Elvis Grbac	26	14.36%
Steve Bono	12	6.63%
Joe Montana	1	0.55%
Dave Krieg	0	0%
Steve Deberg	0	0%
Todd Blackledge	13	7.18%
Bill Kenney	2	1.10%
Len Dawson	0	0%
Mike Livingston	0	0%
Steve Fuller	0	0%
Voters: 181. You may not vote on this poll

05-28-2016, 07:49 AM
rico ON CP YOU’RE SOMEBODY’S BITCH! Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Da SEI Casino cash: $4554809	Which Chiefs QB do You Dislike the Most???!?! I was at work last night, thinking about how frustrating the Cassel era was and thought to myself, "man, I doubt there has ever been a QB that has started a substantial amount of games for the Chiefs that was despised as much as Matty Melt Cassel. Then I started to think about it. We've had to put up with some frustrating, unlikable QB's. I wonder how I would have felt about Todd Blackledge if I were a decade and a half older than I am... I wonder if my disdain for Elvis Grbac would be more prominent, if I weren't an early teenager while he took the reigns. I figured it'd be interesting to see who is the most despised QB in the history of the Chiefs, poll-style. I will only include QB's who have started 10+ games for the teams. I am the most interested in seeing how the old-timers respond to this.
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Comanche Starter Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $9214930	Kenny played in the Pro Bowl and could throw bombs (and complete them). He set team records for passing yards (4,348) and completions (346) in a season. He had one really good receiver, Carlos Carson, who hauled in 80 passes for 1,351 yards. The rest of the team couldn't support him much. Last edited by Comanche; 05-28-2016 at 08:32 AM..
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05-28-2016, 08:27 AM	#22
stumppy New and Improved Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Springfield, Mo. Casino cash: $1338590	If you asked who was the worst QB for the Chiefs I'd have to say Blackledge of course. Although I do hate/dislike him for that I wasn't much of a fan back then and rarely even watched a game. Enduring the Cassle years, watching every single game he played as a Chiefs has made him the hated/disliked QB for me. Oh yea, ** YOU MATT CASSEL __________________ “As a nation, we can endure damaging policies for a four-year term. But we cannot survive a president willing to terminate our Constitution”**
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05-28-2016, 08:35 AM	#23
wazu ... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $2052295 VARSITY	The only Chiefs QB I have "sports hate" for would be Cassel. He was ultimately less damaging to the franchise than Blackledge, Grbac, or Bono, but it was partly because of those other guys that my disgust factor with Cassel's presence on our team was so high. We'd already seen this episode, and it was infuriating. Plus he was soooo bad. Now that Cassel is gone, I still actively root against him each year when some misguided team thinks he can "step in" cause he's a "veteran". And then he promptly proceeds to be worse than any developmental 4th string QB on their roster would have been.
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05-28-2016, 08:48 AM	#27
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	As to the poll question, for me it is Dave Kreig. Steve DeBerg wasn't a great QB, obviously, but he had a toughness and grit that made him a likable QB. Then Carl brings in Kreig to replace, and he wasn't any better than DeBerg, and he lacked that toughness and grit. I absolutely despised that pussy. __________________
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05-28-2016, 09:01 AM	#29
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	My immediate thought was Cassel. He was a coward of a player and also represents the worst era of Chiefs football since I was old enough to remember being a fan. Blackledge is another, but ultimately he seems like just the ugly result of a poor front office. Ugh. I was going to write out this long composition breaking down various qbs but ** it. It's just Cassel. that guy. He's stolen so much money and time from nfl fans that I can't even make a realistic case for anyone else. If I had been at the stadium I might have cheered when he got inured (internally at the very least). I would have booed him at that all star game. ** mark castle __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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