Chiefs New-Look Chiefs Turning Attention to NFL Draft - Page 11

FringeNC · 05:47 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireSto...inglePage=true

The wholesale overhaul of the Kansas City Chiefs is nearly complete.

Andy Reid has been hired to replace Romeo Crennel as coach, and longtime Packers personnel man John Dorsey has replaced Scott ***** as general manager. Most of the assistant coaches are on board, and now the Chiefs can start turning their attention toward the rebuilding job.

That includes preparation for the NFL draft.

The Chiefs finished 2-14 last season, matching the worst record in their 53-year history. But the byproduct of all that on-field suffering is that they have the No. 1 pick for the first time, giving Kansas City a good place to start turning around the team.

"We're in a unique position," said Dorsey, who will work closely with Reid but have final say over personnel decisions. "We all know there is some pressure involved in that."

It is pressure unlike anything he's ever experienced.

Dorsey began his career as a scout for the Packers, and eventually rose to direct of college scouting and director of football operations. But his primary responsibility was assembling the draft board, and the final decision ultimately came down to the Packers' GM — Tom Braatz early in his career, Ron Wolf and Mike Sherman after that, and most recently Ted Thompson.

Now, when the final seconds are ticking away on April 25, all eyes in the Kansas City draft room will turn toward Dorsey for a decision that could shape the future of the franchise.

"Ultimately, we're just trying to win Super Bowls. That's what we're trying to do," said Dorsey, adding that he plans to use a similar blueprint to Green Bay.

"History and time has proven — and that's all I know — but this system works," Dorsey said Monday. "That's what I'm going to try to implement."

Examining the Packers' drafts over the past two decades yields a few ideas about how Dorsey will proceed: He'll likely choose the best player of available, regardless of position needs, but also understands the importance of drafting for depth at quarterback.

Many outsiders panned the choice of quarterback Aaron Rodgers when Brett Favre was firmly ensconced in Green Bay, and Rodgers has turned into a Super Bowl champion. Matt Flynn was picked in the seventh round and became a valuable commodity as a backup, while other guys such as Matt Hasselbeck and Aaron Brooks developed into starters elsewhere in the NFL.

"What we've always tried to do is develop a third guy," Dorsey said, "and develop him and see if he can be a 2 or a 1."

By contrast, the Chiefs have spent only one pick — a fifth-rounder — on a quarterback in the past six drafts, and the result has been disastrous play at the game's marquee position.

Matt Cassel is still under contract, even though he was benched last season. Brady Quinn played just as poorly, while Ricky Stanzi never saw the field during the regular season.

"Any time when you begin to build a franchise, let's be real, the quarterback is a very important part," Dorsey said. "As you note the last couple weeks in the playoffs, the quarterback position is a very important position to the long-term success of the organization."

Important enough to spend the No. 1 overall pick on it?

Not necessarily.

Dorsey and Reid both insisted they plan to draft the best player available, and that may not be a quarterback. West Virginia's Geno Smith is widely considered the best prospect at his position, but some draft analysts believe he's only worthy of a late first-round selection.

"My draft philosophy, you'd love to get good players. That's the primary thing," Reid said. "As the general manager comes in, that's what he's going to do. That's his responsibility."

It's not as if the Chiefs don't have other needs.

Left tackle Branden Albert and wide receiver Dwayne Bowe can both become free agents, and there are gaping holes along the defensive line, at linebacker and in the secondary. And it just so happens that some of the best available players fit those needs: Texas A&M offensive tackle Luke Joeckel, Florida State defensive end Bjoern Werner and George linebacker Jarvis Jones.

One thing that Dorsey made clear is that he won't reach for a player.

"Philosophically, you stay true to your board," he said. "You spend all those months staying true to your board, and all of a sudden you have to jump a player due to positional needs? I don't think you do that. Historically, we have proven you don't do that."

Dorsey plans to keep the Chiefs scouting department intact through the draft, but he's also bringing with him an entire season's worth of his own scouting work from Green Bay.

That will be augmented by work done at college all-star games, various pro days organized by schools, the annual scouting combine and from hour upon hour of highlight tapes.

"It's going to be a focus of our fans, the media and our personnel department here for the next three or so months," Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt said of the No. 1 pick. "It's very important we get that pick right."

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IAmABabySeal · 01-15-2013, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefLongDong

Would the Raiders take Geno Smith as a shout out to Al Davis? I want no part of 5. He was exposed in the title game.

The Te'o hype train died quickly!!!

**HemiEd** · 01-15-2013, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier

I think its a mistake to try and compare Dorsey to *****, but I know several CPers are going to say, Dorsey= *****, if he doesn't draft Smith first. Dorsey isn't *****. ***** was in the right place at the right time to get some of the credit for the Pats success, but was never relied upon. Dorsey has been THE person making the draft board in GB, he was much more important to his team than ***** was.

I must have not been clear on what I meant Messier.

I was talking about me as a fan, giving a pass to Pioli when he drafted Tyson Jackson at 3, and spent the Tony G pick from the Falcons on Arenas after taking McCluster.

Many on here were pissed, and I was dumbfounded, but dismissed it as he knows more about it than I do, as did several others.

I am sure the threads can be located, but many of us commented to the drafturbators that Pioli knew more than they did. I have to own that.

I really don't give a shit what Dorsey's record is this time, if he doesn't take a QB at 1, I am going to be damn pissed.

Mecca · 01-15-2013, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

Anybody have any thoughts on Warmak? He's the consensus #1 player in the draft. Obviously not at 1, but Reid loves his fat boys and he would look good pulling for Charles.

He's a guard...for as nice a guard prospect as he is, he's still a guard which is probably the least valuable starting position on a team. Guards get drafted in mid rounds some team will take him first but it's basically a value waste in a lot of ways.

For every Ben Grubbs there's a Carl Nicks or Jahri Evans who are just as good if not better that were taken several rounds later.

ChiefLongDong · 01-15-2013, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

The Te'o hype train died quickly!!!

As quick as ND title hopes. Who has been good out of ND the past 10 years or so?

Mecca · 01-15-2013, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

Hardly, one can say that Geno hurt himself a bit in that game, while Nassib stayed in the same 1st/2nd round fringe type prospect.

Nassib isn't getting hype for his film, his team basically had to make him a game manager to win. He's getting hype because of his size and arm, he's moving for physical reasons not game reasons. I wouldn't touch him but some dumbass will.

IAmABabySeal · 01-15-2013, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He's a guard...for as nice a guard prospect as he is, he's still a guard which is probably the least valuable starting position on a team. Guards get drafted in mid rounds some team will take him first but it's basically a value waste in a lot of ways.

For every Ben Grubbs there's a Carl Nicks or Jahri Evans who are just as good if not better that were taken several rounds later.

True but he's got the nasty and I think is a valid option to trade back for...not saying it should or will happen. Dion Jordan is another interesting name to bookend with Tambi

IAmABabySeal · 01-15-2013, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Nassib isn't getting hype for his film, his team basically had to make him a game manager to win. He's getting hype because of his size and arm, he's moving for physical reasons not game reasons. I wouldn't touch him but some dumbass will.

This is why these places exist...for people to tell their opinion

Mecca · 01-15-2013, 09:16 PM

If this team drafted a OLb with it's first pick it means Tamba Hali is getting cut...he's the past 30 guy with the big contract, Houston is cheap and productive.

Chris Meck · 01-15-2013, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

Newton sucks...he had 6 good games his rookie year and completely sucked this year. RGIII was an amazing prospect because of his intelligence on top of his intangibles. It's a shame he's rotting in Wash with a coach who's gonna run him till the wheels fall off.

I would slow down on the Luck to Geno comparisons. Luck is a once in a generation type prospect. Geno is a guy who would normally go in the late teens/early 20's if this was a decent draft class at the top.

Geno is good, but not you know this guy is gonna be elite and you're willing to risk the next 4 or 5 years trying to develop the guy.
I think a lot of it boils down to how short the leash on Reid is.

I know, but WHY? What I'm saying is that a big part of the 'can't miss' label on Luck was his pedigree, right? Dad was a NFL QB and coach or whatever, smart kid, played at Stanford for Harbaugh in a pro style offense, etc. When you watch him play, there's certainly nothing that looks lacking.
What I'm saying is this: The things the Geno naysayers are saying ARE NOT THERE ON THE SCREEN. I don't know what they're talking about. I watch him clearly go through his reads, he doesn't turn the ball over, he's smooth in the pocket under pressure. The so-called negatives are NOT there. Stat-wise, he's right up there with Luck's senior season. If someone's got some real issues with the kid, I'd be interested. What I'm hearing is a bunch of crap though based on watching this game video. By all accounts, he's a hard worker, a student of the game, etc. He's played well in a pro style offense AND a spread.
I keep hearing that he's NOT worth the #1, but the reasons people give are NOT ON THE VIDEO.

Saccopoo · 01-15-2013, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

I would slow down on the Luck to Geno comparisons. Luck is a once in a generation type prospect. Geno is a guy who would normally go in the late teens/early 20's if this was a decent draft class at the top.

Geno is good, but not you know this guy is gonna be elite and you're willing to risk the next 4 or 5 years trying to develop the guy.
I think a lot of it boils down to how short the leash on Reid is.

So, tell me, where would you have put Geno in terms of getting drafted in the last, say, eight years of the draft? Since 2006 to this draft, the 2013, where would you put Geno?

The Herm and Pioli years.

Mecca · 01-15-2013, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

This is why these places exist...for people to tell their opinion

Ok for example, Nassib has positive hype and Matt Barkley has negative hype. Nassib is bigger with a stronger arm but no person in their right mind can tell me that Nassib was a better football player than Matt Barkley at any point in their college careers.

Chris Meck · 01-15-2013, 09:19 PM

I should add that I watched a few of the complete game Youtube videos with all of the offensive snaps. So, it's a little more of a sample than a highlight reel. I'm still not seeing the 'low football IQ', or the 'doesn't read defenses' crap.

splatbass · 01-15-2013, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

I could be wrong about him, he could be the next Joe Montana...but I don't like him at #1 overall. Trade back a few spots and gather some more ammo and I wouldn't be opposed. If somebody jumps and takes, oh well. Wouldn't you rather be on the suck for Bridgewater band wagon next year? Especially with Clowney coming out and will almost def go #1 overall?

You want to lose again next year? How many years do you think we should suck?

ChiefPassesALot · 01-15-2013, 09:20 PM

Doesn't have the arm strength

IAmABabySeal · 01-15-2013, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Ok for example, Nassib has positive hype and Matt Barkley has negative hype. Nassib is bigger with a stronger arm but no person in their right mind can tell me that Nassib was a better football player than Matt Barkley at any point in their college careers.

Being a better college football player does not equate to being a better NFL player. You're kinda comparing apples and oranges. Barkley is playing with elite talent around him, while Nassib played with a 3rd or 4th round WR and a 2nd round OT.
Colin Klein had a better year than both, that doesn't mean he's an NFL prospect.
Barkley is nothing but a game manager, we've already got a Barkley on the team.

01-15-2013, 05:17 PM
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $1776014	New-Look Chiefs Turning Attention to NFL Draft http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireSto...inglePage=true The wholesale overhaul of the Kansas City Chiefs is nearly complete. Andy Reid has been hired to replace Romeo Crennel as coach, and longtime Packers personnel man John Dorsey has replaced Scott *** as general manager. Most of the assistant coaches are on board, and now the Chiefs can start turning their attention toward the rebuilding job. That includes preparation for the NFL draft. The Chiefs finished 2-14 last season, matching the worst record in their 53-year history. But the byproduct of all that on-field suffering is that they have the No. 1 pick for the first time, giving Kansas City a good place to start turning around the team. "We're in a unique position," said Dorsey, who will work closely with Reid but have final say over personnel decisions. "We all know there is some pressure involved in that." It is pressure unlike anything he's ever experienced. Dorsey began his career as a scout for the Packers, and eventually rose to direct of college scouting and director of football operations. But his primary responsibility was assembling the draft board, and the final decision ultimately came down to the Packers' GM — Tom Braatz early in his career, Ron Wolf and Mike Sherman after that, and most recently Ted Thompson. Now, when the final seconds are ticking away on April 25, all eyes in the Kansas City draft room will turn toward Dorsey for a decision that could shape the future of the franchise. "Ultimately, we're just trying to win Super Bowls. That's what we're trying to do," said Dorsey, adding that he plans to use a similar blueprint to Green Bay. "History and time has proven — and that's all I know — but this system works," Dorsey said Monday. "That's what I'm going to try to implement." Examining the Packers' drafts over the past two decades yields a few ideas about how Dorsey will proceed: He'll likely choose the best player of available, regardless of position needs, but also understands the importance of drafting for depth at quarterback. Many outsiders panned the choice of quarterback Aaron Rodgers when Brett Favre was firmly ensconced in Green Bay, and Rodgers has turned into a Super Bowl champion. Matt Flynn was picked in the seventh round and became a valuable commodity as a backup, while other guys such as Matt Hasselbeck and Aaron Brooks developed into starters elsewhere in the NFL. "What we've always tried to do is develop a third guy," Dorsey said, "and develop him and see if he can be a 2 or a 1." By contrast, the Chiefs have spent only one pick — a fifth-rounder — on a quarterback in the past six drafts, and the result has been disastrous play at the game's marquee position. Matt Cassel is still under contract, even though he was benched last season. Brady Quinn played just as poorly, while Ricky Stanzi never saw the field during the regular season. "Any time when you begin to build a franchise, let's be real, the quarterback is a very important part," Dorsey said. "As you note the last couple weeks in the playoffs, the quarterback position is a very important position to the long-term success of the organization." Important enough to spend the No. 1 overall pick on it? Not necessarily. Dorsey and Reid both insisted they plan to draft the best player available, and that may not be a quarterback. West Virginia's Geno Smith is widely considered the best prospect at his position, but some draft analysts believe he's only worthy of a late first-round selection. "My draft philosophy, you'd love to get good players. That's the primary thing," Reid said. "As the general manager comes in, that's what he's going to do. That's his responsibility." It's not as if the Chiefs don't have other needs. Left tackle Branden Albert and wide receiver Dwayne Bowe can both become free agents, and there are gaping holes along the defensive line, at linebacker and in the secondary. And it just so happens that some of the best available players fit those needs: Texas A&M offensive tackle Luke Joeckel, Florida State defensive end Bjoern Werner and George linebacker Jarvis Jones. One thing that Dorsey made clear is that he won't reach for a player.** "Philosophically, you stay true to your board," he said. "You spend all those months staying true to your board, and all of a sudden you have to jump a player due to positional needs? I don't think you do that. Historically, we have proven you don't do that." Dorsey plans to keep the Chiefs scouting department intact through the draft, but he's also bringing with him an entire season's worth of his own scouting work from Green Bay. That will be augmented by work done at college all-star games, various pro days organized by schools, the annual scouting combine and from hour upon hour of highlight tapes. "It's going to be a focus of our fans, the media and our personnel department here for the next three or so months," Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt said of the No. 1 pick. "It's very important we get that pick right." ——— Last edited by FringeNC; 01-15-2013 at 05:47 PM.. Reason: bold parts as requested for the pathologically lazy
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Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $1914910	I should add that I watched a few of the complete game Youtube videos with all of the offensive snaps. So, it's a little more of a sample than a highlight reel. I'm still not seeing the 'low football IQ', or the 'doesn't read defenses' crap.
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