Chiefs Chiefs press conference on Tyreek Hill - Page 11

**RealSNR** · 04-30-2016, 07:47 PM

Starting a whole new thread about this because I think it's a pretty important to get the justification and story from the people who made the pick. Was posted in the original thread, but I know it's going to get lost in the still vibrant discussion.

Basically, Dorsey would normally let his scout team handle questions about the last day so he can do UDFA stuff, but he felt he needed to address the press and media about it before too many stories got carried away. So they spent basically a full 20 minutes discussing the morality of picking somebody like Hill.

http://www.chiefs.com/media-center/v...c-90e1d8adc228

For people who don't really care to listen, Dorsey and Reid basically give a single answer: "We've done our homework, so please trust us."

Props go to Terez Paylor for asking the tough and pointed questions about this. He's got some balls as a journalist that I've never seen out of the KC Star.

old_geezer · 05-01-2016, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah.

I hope the one who sucks the penis blows out his ****ing knee getting dressed and never plays a snap.

I absolutely will not call beating a pregnant woman 'a mistake' and no I will not be cheering for him. Ever.

**** you, Dorsey.

I can not stand by and say nothing - this statement says it all for me. The Chiefs are starting to make Oakland look like a model franchise.

chiefzilla1501 · 05-01-2016, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SPATCH

This isn't about "second chances" or any of that romantic bullshit. Dorsey and Reid did a risk/reward assessment and decided the risk that Hill would be a repeat offender and get himself suspended was low enough that they could use a 5th rounder on him. That's it.

This is a football team.

And the idea that Tyreek Hill doesn't fit in Dorsey's "family environment" lockerroom? Um, hello. What in the hell excludes this guy from being able to integrate into the lockerroom? A domestic assault? I guess I missed the part about men who commit domestic assault being unable to make friends?

This is exactly like when I was a kid and there was a huge shitstorm swirling around Bill Clinton for cheating on his wife and there was a huge faction of people that wanted him impeached. Or the Gary Hart thing. Same thing. I didn't get it. What did any of this have to do with being president. Even as a kid I understood how strange it was to be prying so deeply into somebody's private life. As long as private matters don't effect job performance, that's all that matters. That's true with presidents, that's true with plumbers, that's true with football players.

Quit acting like a bunch of gossiping girls. This is a football team. You shouldn't be so concerned with any of these guy's private lives, good or bad.

We're not talking about adultery. We're talking about domestic violence, which every single sports league is taking very seriously.

I'm sure there are lots of teams that will refuse to play for a dirty team. And that there are several players on the roster who play for KC because of the values they stand for. I'm sure they're not pleased with the team being in the news for being on the wrong side of domestic violence. I'm sure there are players on that roster who are disgusted by what he did and would want to beat the living shit out of him, but have to pull back because now he's a teammate. I'm sure there are some wives who will want no part of their husband associating with Hill.

I'm all for second chances. But it doesn't seem like the guy was even punished after the first chance so I'm not really sure why this is even called a second chance.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-01-2016, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by old_geezer

I can not stand by and say nothing - this statement says it all for me. The Chiefs are starting to make Oakland look like a model franchise.

I don't care for the selection but this is just bullshit hyperbole

chiefzilla1501 · 05-01-2016, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Yes, because I think there is more to this story than what is being reported I'm a wife beater. Do you actually think that if Hill beat the shit out if this girl and punched her in the stomach knowing she was pregnant, that Dorsey would have drafted him and Clark would have signed off on it?

I'm sure something happened and I'm sure Hill did something wrong, but I highly doubt he repeatedly punched this woman in her face and stomach and then choked her for over a minute. Hypothetically, if you found out that they were arguing and she was slapping him and he pushed her to get her away from him, would you still consider him a piece of shit who doesn't deserve to play in the NFL?

What's also not being reported at all is that a month prior to this incident Hill called the police on this woman to have her removed from his apartment. She has also admitted that in the past she suffered bruises and hickeys during rough consensual sex with Tyreek.

Something doesn't add up, and I'm not willing to deny a kid a shot at his dream based on one unsubstantiated incident. If he gets in trouble again, lock him up and throw away the key, but for know IMO he deserves a second chance.

If that's the case then the Chiefs need to take a firmer stance than just "we looked into it." If they do, sure I'm all for what you're saying.

Al Bundy · 05-01-2016, 09:52 AM

I agree - it's on @chiefs fans. Don't go to games. Cancel your tix. Then the team will change its tune on abusers. https://t.co/Ub9pWOnFx6
— keithlaw (@keithlaw) May 1, 2016

old_geezer · 05-01-2016, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't care for the selection but this is just bullshit hyperbole

You're right - it is hyperbole and I'm sorry if it upset people too much but the thought of the Chiefs actively pursuing a woman beater just upsets the hell out of me. I want a team I can be proud of, and I'm not proud of him.

penchief · 05-01-2016, 09:59 AM

What this kid did was low character. But it also takes a shit ton of character to overcome one's shame and try to be a productive and positive force in the face of universal condemnation. What this kid did was horrendous. He will have to live with not only the consequences for the rest of his life, but also his shame. But if he comes out the other end as a positive force, then he will have earned it.

Any of us could be dropped into the middle of a perfect storm and in a split second let our rage get the best of us. I can't imagine myself doing what he did but I've done stupid shit before.

If it turns out that this kid is not a bad kid and only needs a second chance to prove it, then I'm all about redemption. Apparently, Reid and Dorsey think he's got enough good in him that the relationship can be mutually beneficial.

Does he deserve a shot at redemption or should he just be shunned from society for the rest of his life? I don't know the correct answer. But my gut tells me that people need the chance fulfill their potential as human beings.

kcpasco · 05-01-2016, 10:00 AM

Adrian Peterson had one son die and he didn't miss a beat, then he beat another one with a stick. He's pretty much a garbage human being, but TD's.

**The Franchise** · 05-01-2016, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Al Bundy

I agree - it's on @chiefs fans. Don't go to games. Cancel your tix. Then the team will change its tune on abusers. https://t.co/Ub9pWOnFx6
— keithlaw (@keithlaw) May 1, 2016

No they won't.

**notorious** · 05-01-2016, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SPATCH

This isn't about "second chances" or any of that romantic bullshit. Dorsey and Reid did a risk/reward assessment and decided the risk that Hill would be a repeat offender and get himself suspended was low enough that they could use a 5th rounder on him. That's it.

Bingo

**notorious** · 05-01-2016, 10:11 AM

It's not on the ****ing Chiefs fans because they will do exactly what the other 31 fan bases would do.

Keith Law is a dumb mother ****er.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-01-2016, 10:11 AM

Well, that team just drafted a man who, fewer than two years ago, was arrested after his girlfriend walked into an emergency room eight weeks pregnant with bruises and cuts on her face and neck. The woman told police Hill punched her multiple times in the face and stomach, put both hands around her neck, slammed her head against a wall, and threw her to the floor.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...#storylink=cpy

kcpasco · 05-01-2016, 10:14 AM

Peterson beat his kid with a stick but he was league MVP.

**notorious** · 05-01-2016, 10:14 AM

Okay guys, step back and take a breath before I ask this question....

Did Hill know she was pregnant?

I know it's still horrible to hit her and choke her, but I am curious.

Boon · 05-01-2016, 10:16 AM

Until the NFL, NBA, etc start refusing to reward bad behavior, we will continue to read the stories of this crap. A convicted woman beater making huge sums of money? Something ain't right.

04-30-2016, 07:47 PM
RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $2320208	Chiefs press conference on Tyreek Hill Starting a whole new thread about this because I think it's a pretty important to get the justification and story from the people who made the pick. Was posted in the original thread, but I know it's going to get lost in the still vibrant discussion. Basically, Dorsey would normally let his scout team handle questions about the last day so he can do UDFA stuff, but he felt he needed to address the press and media about it before too many stories got carried away. So they spent basically a full 20 minutes discussing the morality of picking somebody like Hill. http://www.chiefs.com/media-center/v...c-90e1d8adc228 For people who don't really care to listen, Dorsey and Reid basically give a single answer: "We've done our homework, so please trust us." Props go to Terez Paylor for asking the tough and pointed questions about this. He's got some balls as a journalist that I've never seen out of the KC Star.
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05-01-2016, 09:52 AM	#155
Al Bundy Damnit Peg Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $5371831	I agree - it's on @chiefs fans. Don't go to games. Cancel your tix. Then the team will change its tune on abusers. https://t.co/Ub9pWOnFx6 — keithlaw (@keithlaw) May 1, 2016
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05-01-2016, 09:59 AM	#157
penchief MVP Join Date: Feb 2003 Casino cash: $6325286	What this kid did was low character. But it also takes a shit ton of character to overcome one's shame and try to be a productive and positive force in the face of universal condemnation. What this kid did was horrendous. He will have to live with not only the consequences for the rest of his life, but also his shame. But if he comes out the other end as a positive force, then he will have earned it. Any of us could be dropped into the middle of a perfect storm and in a split second let our rage get the best of us. I can't imagine myself doing what he did but I've done stupid shit before. If it turns out that this kid is not a bad kid and only needs a second chance to prove it, then I'm all about redemption. Apparently, Reid and Dorsey think he's got enough good in him that the relationship can be mutually beneficial. Does he deserve a shot at redemption or should he just be shunned from society for the rest of his life? I don't know the correct answer. But my gut tells me that people need the chance fulfill their potential as human beings.
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kcpasco MVP Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $7733463	Adrian Peterson had one son die and he didn't miss a beat, then he beat another one with a stick. He's pretty much a garbage human being, but TD's.
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notorious Supporter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Who knows? Casino cash: $2885884	It's not on the **ing Chiefs fans because they will do exactly what the other 31 fan bases would do. Keith Law is a dumb mother **er.
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05-01-2016, 10:11 AM	#162
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	Well, that team just drafted a man who, fewer than two years ago, was arrested after his girlfriend walked into an emergency room eight weeks pregnant with bruises and cuts on her face and neck. The woman told police Hill punched her multiple times in the face and stomach, put both hands around her neck, slammed her head against a wall, and threw her to the floor. http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...#storylink=cpy
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05-01-2016, 10:14 AM	#163
kcpasco MVP Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $7733463	Peterson beat his kid with a stick but he was league MVP.
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05-01-2016, 10:14 AM	#164
notorious Supporter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Who knows? Casino cash: $2885884	Okay guys, step back and take a breath before I ask this question.... Did Hill know she was pregnant? I know it's still horrible to hit her and choke her, but I am curious.
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05-01-2016, 10:16 AM	#165
Boon a.k.a. Lenny Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Smack dab in the middle Casino cash: $9637069	Until the NFL, NBA, etc start refusing to reward bad behavior, we will continue to read the stories of this crap. A convicted woman beater making huge sums of money? Something ain't right.
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