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Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

Midish-Season Update (Royals 51-47, 2nd Wild Card, 1.5 GB of ALC):

We're halfway through 2017, and fittingly to the Chiefsplanet's 2017 Season Title, the Royals are all-in on what will likely be one final run with the current core. While many are worried the Royals will take a 2004 style tumble after this year, the farm system is hardly the barren wasteland it was during the Baird years. To see what's in the pipeline and what we have to look forward to, check out this exceptional list and analysis that Duncan put together of our system.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...htmlview#gid=0

While I had the honor of starting this thread this year, Duncan will always have a VIP pass to this OP, and can add more content at any time.

2017's Burning Questions Revisited:

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

We're buyers, baby.

In April, I argued that it would be a wise strategy for us to sell if we were 5 GB or worse, but that Dayton would likely add supplemental pieces for us to load up for another run if we were 1-2 GB. On July 24th, the Royals found themselves in sole possession of the 2nd wild card spot and 1.5 games back of the division. In April I said the Royals might pull the trigger on someone like Alex Cobb and resign Luke Hochevar, but since the Rays are also buyers and Luke's shoulder hasn't rebounded, this prediction hasn't come to fruition. Luckily, Dayton Moore again proved much more adept and creative than me by adding Trevor Cahill (good call, Duncan), Brandon Maurer and Ryan Buchter in a single trade. Giving us a solid starter to compete in 2017, and two relievers whom we will control through 2019 and 2021, respectively, keeping Moore's new vision through 2019-2020 intact. Moore has hinted that the Royals will continue to pursue the right deals if they're there, so the fun may not be over just yet. While we may not have the bullets to pull in a "star" like Cueto or Zo, Moore's adeptness may yet again net us what we need for another run in October.

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

In April I asked if Gordo could at least set the table at a 265/325/425 clip and if Moose could deliver damage around a 265/335/500 clip for an entire year. This season Mr. Moustakas has been the prospect that was promised, delivering at a 277/307/568 clip as of this update. Gordo, on the other hand, has put up an unbelievably abysmal line thus far. But, if there is a silver lining, it's that Gordo has performed at a 246/311/432 line since June 1st, and if he can continue to perform near that mark, he will be more than a valuable asset at the bottom of the lineup while he continues to provide the best LF defense in the league.

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

In April, I felt that despite the poor start, Royals bullpen would ultimately be "solid" this year, but the question was whether "solid" was good enough for Ned. I argued that the Royals needed Soria to bounce back and that Ned would need to start being strategic in his L/L and R/R matchups. While Ned has still made at times baffling and frustrating decisions with his starters (such as allowing Travis Wood to try to "get the win" and still insisting on sending Hammel out for the 6th, he's mostly done a good job).

MASH: Minor/Moylan - Alexander - Soria - Herrera (Credit to C3HIEF3S for the origins of the phrase) have cemented into reliable pieces, and now that Herrera is showing signs of stabilizing, our dumping of Wood, our call up Flynn, and the acquisition of Buchter and Maurer, the Royals have the potential to enter October with one of the best and deepest bullpens in the postseason.

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

Cool-Whit, Boni, Mike ****ing Minor, and Alexander have come up huge thus far. Cool Whit is, incredibly, is second on the team in WAR and has more than replaced Zo's presence on the team. They, like the X-Factors on the 2014-2015 teams, have been critical cogs as we've raced back to contention, while Cool-Whit and Boni also have provided a rosier outlook for this team's future. It's worth noting that Salvador Perez and Jason Vargas has been beasts on offense and the mound (along with Sal providing his customary defensive excellence), but I am still a bit wary of Salvy's annual Yost assisted offensive drought as the team moves into August, along with Vargy regressing to his averages.

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Ouch, no, but the Royals shift to power-hitting in the juiced ball era looks like one that will pay off. Thankfully, Moss is showing signs of entering his seasonal hot streak where he becomes corn-fed Jesus for a month, and we'll need him hot to keep up with Cleveland down the stretch. While Jorge has been painful to watch in the majors, his scorching performance in AAA should give one a bright hope for the future. While some may disagree, I offer Moose, Hos, Gordo, and Duffy's struggles as exhibit A for why it is far too early to give up on Soler's potential.

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

Ha! Not even close. However, like Soler, his progress in AAA is incredibly encouraging. With ceilings like Lindor and floors being Esky being thrown out there, it's hard not to be excited about his future.

The Picture Forward

There are many reasons to be excited, and not only for 2017. The Royals emergence of Cool Whit, Bonifacio, and Scott Alexander, and the fact that we have pieces like Salvador Perez, Danny Duffy, Kelvin Herrera, Jorge Soler, Ryan Buchter, Brandon Maurer Cheslor Cuthbert, and Raul Mondesi until at least 2019 should leave one feeling pretty optimistic. Re-up Moose or Hos (and heck, re-sign Dyson while we're at it), and suddenly this team looks very much like one that could compete for the indefinite future.

The Royals are all in again, buckle in and enjoy the ride.

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Old 05-30-2017, 10:40 AM   #1591
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The only member of that trio who makes sense to me to pay what they'll command is Moustakas.

Cain's injury history makes him too big a risk for Kansas City. Hosmer just isn't as exceptional as the contract he'll demand (and honestly, only the criticism he'd receive in a major market is enough for him to fix the problems with his swing that prevent him from hitting for the power he should).


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After the downfall of Gordon after the big contract, I will not be disappointed if they don't sign any of them to big contracts. Plus, rumors that Moose wants to play on the west coast. What I wouldn't mind happening, trade Vargas before the deadline and then resign him in the off season.
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Old 05-30-2017, 10:42 AM   #1592
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I'm probably one of the football fans Duncan is talking about, and I'll own that.

It's been frustrating watching them flounder 18 months out from a championship, and I've probably said/suggested things that someone with a better understanding of the game would roll their eyes at. I just don't see a quick fix with this lineup or team, and I'm wondering how long it's going to take to get the Royals back to '15 status.

It's a shame they're slumping like this now with the potential TV deal they have coming up for them...
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Old 05-30-2017, 10:54 AM   #1593
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I'm probably one of the football fans Duncan is talking about, and I'll own that.

It's been frustrating watching them flounder 18 months out from a championship, and I've probably said/suggested things that someone with a better understanding of the game would roll their eyes at. I just don't see a quick fix with this lineup or team, and I'm wondering how long it's going to take to get the Royals back to '15 status.

It's a shame they're slumping like this now with the potential TV deal they have coming up for them...
Dont let Duncans passive aggressiveness get you down. This thread has alot of guys with egos. Bowser you and I are saying the same thing these folks are saying.

The team wont be a contender for 5-10 years.
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Old 05-30-2017, 11:07 AM   #1594
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I'm probably one of the football fans Duncan is talking about, and I'll own that.

It's been frustrating watching them flounder 18 months out from a championship, and I've probably said/suggested things that someone with a better understanding of the game would roll their eyes at. I just don't see a quick fix with this lineup or team, and I'm wondering how long it's going to take to get the Royals back to '15 status.

It's a shame they're slumping like this now with the potential TV deal they have coming up for them...

Nope. Specifically aimed at one individual who has been trolling Royals threads for years.

Since he thinks I'm being passive aggressive, I'll just come out and say it:

Hey, Billay: **** off.


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Old 05-30-2017, 11:10 AM   #1595
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Duncan what's the deal on Pitcher Jonathan Dziedzic (3-1 in 5 starts, .094 ERA) and SS Ramon Torres (batting .330 with 5 HR's). Never hear anything about these guys but they seem to be putting up good numbers at AAA.

There's some, but those guys are really just organizational filler.

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Nope. Specifically aimed at one individual who has been trolling Royals threads for years.

Since he thinks I'm being passive aggressive, I'll just come out and say it:

Hey, Billay: **** off.


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funny im the one whos trolling when I said 2 weeks ago if the team folded in its 3 game stand against the first place team when at the time they were only 5 out should look into selling with the draft about a month out at that point it would make total sense for the franchise to look that way. I was mocked and flamed which is trolling but of course nobody was threatened to be banned from this thread and now just a few weeks later everyone is saying what I had said yet im the troll.
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Old 05-30-2017, 11:15 AM   #1597
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Nope. Specifically aimed at one individual who has been trolling Royals threads for years.

Since he thinks I'm being passive aggressive, I'll just come out and say it:

Hey, Billay: **** off.


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Fair enough. Heh.
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Im going to voluntarily leave this thread alone as it is clear several posters in here are butthurt and pushing for me to get banned. Before I leave I would like to point out the 3 things Ive stated thst others said were trolling somehow.

-I stated this team setup to make this a make or break year by going all in. I will admit this statement might not have been factual as pointed out by many in here.

-I stated this city is a fairweather baseball city. Attendance is down as one poster stated it will go up once school is out. Were only a few weeks into summer the numbers still suck so at best my statement was incomplete but we can visit it again in September.

- I stated this team should go into sell mode after they dropped a perfect chance at getting back into the race a few weeks ago. This statement was factual and now many of you agree but wont want to admit you agree with me. It has nothing to do with just Duffys injury there are many many flaws with this team.


And with that im out. I have nothing personal against any of you but I hope you can accept this team isnt very good and wont be for awhile.


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Old 05-30-2017, 11:33 AM   #1599
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Im going to voluntarily leave this thread alone as it is clear several posters in here are butthurt and pushing for me to get banned. Before I leave I would like to point out the 3 things Ive stated thst others said were trolling somehow.

-I stated this team setup to make this a make or break year by going all in. I will admit this statement might not have been factual as pointed out by many in here.

-I stated this city is a fairweather baseball city. Attendance is down as one poster stated it will go up once school is out. Were only a few weeks into summer the numbers still suck so at best my statement was incomplete but we can visit it again in September.

- I stated this team should go into sell mode after they dropped a perfect chance at getting back into the race a few weeks ago. This statement was factual and now many of you agree but wont want to admit you agree with me. It has nothing to do with just Duffys injury there are many many flaws with this team.


And with that im out. I have nothing personal against any of you but I hope you can accept this team isnt very good and wont be for awhile.


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I can accept the fact that you are a ****ing moron, and that you don't know shit about baseball.

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How are the Royals so anemic on offense? Must be hitting with RISP and of course Esky & Gordo. 5 guys now with .799 or above OPS: Hosmer, Bonifacio, Merrifield, Perez, Moose.
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How are the Royals so anemic on offense? Must be hitting with RISP and of course Esky & Gordo. 5 guys now with .799 or above OPS: Hosmer, Bonifacio, Merrifield, Perez, Moose.
What was the stat they flashed during the game last night - they're hitting under .100 with RISP over the last two weeks, or something similar to that. Embarrassingly awful.
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How are the Royals so anemic on offense? Must be hitting with RISP and of course Esky & Gordo. 5 guys now with .799 or above OPS: Hosmer, Bonifacio, Merrifield, Perez, Moose.
You can't have 3 guys who are consistently in your lineup with these stats:

Gordon - .176/.292/.501- 9 RBI and NO ****ING HR'S - Team's highest paid contract
Moss - .190/.264/.712 - Designated Hitter - 42K's in 116 AB's
Esky - .179/.206/.438 -Leadoff Hitter not getting on base - LEADOFF!!
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You can't have 3 guys who are consistently in your lineup with these stats:

Gordon - .176/.292/.501- 9 RBI and NO ****ING HR'S - Team's highest paid contract
Moss - .190/.264/.712 - Designated Hitter - 42K's in 116 AB's
Esky - .179/.206/.438 -Leadoff Hitter not getting on base - LEADOFF!!
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Is Alex's problem as simple as he's acutely aware he's the highest paid guy on the team, and he's just pressing like hell at the plate?
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Is Alex's problem as simple as he's acutely aware he's the highest paid guy on the team, and he's just pressing like hell at the plate?

He hasn't been the same since the collision injury with Moose. His complete lack of power is obscene
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