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1850 - 1902 era |
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19 | 52.78% |
1800 to 1849 |
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6 | 16.67% |
1750 to 1799 |
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5 | 13.89% |
1700 to 1749 |
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0 | 0% |
1650 to 1699 |
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0 | 0% |
1600 to 1649 |
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0 | 0% |
1550 to 1599 |
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1 | 2.78% |
1500 to 1549 |
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0 | 0% |
1450 to 1499 |
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0 | 0% |
472 ad to 1449 |
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1 | 2.78% |
1 ad to 471 ad |
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0 | 0% |
500 bc to 1 bc |
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0 | 0% |
2000 bc to 501 bc |
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0 | 0% |
4000 bc to 2001 bc |
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0 | 0% |
10,000 bc to 4001 bc |
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1 | 2.78% |
Earlier than 10,000 bc but after homo sapiens emerged |
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0 | 0% |
I think those earlier hominids were pretty ingenious. Mark me down for them. |
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0 | 0% |
I don't think anyone could do reverse engineer a car. It had to be developed in a forward gear. |
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0 | 0% |
I think dolphins could do it. |
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1 | 2.78% |
I need to learn more about insurance rates in each era before I can answer. |
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2 | 5.56% |
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I am disappointed that the scenario did not mention Sally Field c. 1977.
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I think it would be very difficult to reverse engineer a car without being able to machine the parts to a very precise tolerance. Hard to imagine a blacksmith being able to do that.
But more than the car itself, aren't you forgetting about two important things: 1) Said society needs to be able to refine gasoline/ethanol to a purity that isn't going to blow the engine 2) How is the air conditioning going to work without refrigerant? Chlorofluorocarbons weren't even synthetically feasible until the 1890s. |
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I'm going to say Tesla could have figured it out at the height of his powers. So no one before him around 1895.
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Bandit car was racist..so I'm not comfortable answering
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The closest thing I found (historically) to an ICE after a cursory search was the gunpowder engine of Christiaan Huygens:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_engine This was the late 1600's. With a model to go off of I'll say the late 1500's. |
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I'd say anytime before the mid 1600s and they wouldn't even know where to begin on many of the materials. If you started in 1650 I would think the process would still take 50-100 years before they could complete a working car. |
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After considerable thought, I went with 1750 to 1799. Steam engines had been around for a while by that point, so the concept of artificial locomotion was understand, and presumably also the ability to build "vehicles", at least in the sense of horsedrawn vehicles. Trains apparently showed up in 1804, so the technology wasn't far away to build things like brakes and gauges and stuff.
I don't know how evolved chemistry was at that point. I looked it up, and the periodic table first appeared in 1869. So per an earlier point, gasoline and oil and lubricants may be the most challenging part of reverse engineering a car, and I guess that would make sense. It was probably the last part that was developed when cars were invented the first time. So it would have been a stretch in 1775 to build a car, but people are resourceful. I think King George III would have put his best minds on it, and they would have succeeded at great cost and time.
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Electric light bulbs (headlamps) were invented in 1879. I don't think they would have had good methods of determining the composition of the filaments to reverse engineer them. The lead acid battery was first developed in 1859, although I don't think that would be too difficult to reverse engineer. Rubber vulcanization was developed in 1839. |
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The obvious next question is about alien technology. Looking at the voting, does everyone pretty much think that we couldn't advance more than 50 years in the current day? If an alien ship landed that was 100 years more advanced than we are, would we just scratch our heads and give up? Would it shorten our development timeline from 100 years to XX years? What would happens?
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When the US developed the atomic bomb, I'm not sure the science of the device was even the rate limiting step. I'd lean more to figuring out how to separate Uranium 235, building the factories to do it, and then the inherent time it took to do the separations were rate limiting. Even though developed countries now have the scientific infrastructure in place to better exploit advanced technology than we did 150 to 200 years ago, it might be questionable how many steps ahead we can jump. Let's take the example of the microcomputer chip. If we had dropped a modern day laptop into the labs of Bell labs in 1950 (shortly after the invention of the transistor but 2 years before the patent of the first integrated circuit) how fast would it have sped things up? I think it would have been less than a factor of 2. In other words, I don't think that we would have had today's computers by 1983 if a lap top got dropped into Bell labs in 1950. There are too many advances needed in materials science, growing silicon crystals, material deposition, photolithography, wire bonding, doping, that would not be revealed by just being given a laptop. Those would have to be learned the old fashioned trial and error way. If we speculate on alien technology, we can start by thinking of technology as the ability to manipulate matter, energy, and information. What if the device manipulated dark energy or dark matter? We don't know what these are. Similar to an 1820 automotive engineer may be puzzled by the substance gasoline with very limited analytical chemistry tools to figure it out and where it came from. Having the vision provided by the prototype can speed things up, but only by so much. |
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I don't know the answer to your question, but I do know you're stuck until November 5, 1955: when the flux capacitor was conceptualized.
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No way they could reverse engineer car before 1850. You have to create the machines that create the machine tools to make the car. Electronic components before you understand the electronic general practices? Not happening. At the EAA airshow this weekend, I bought up the subject wondering if the Wright brothers, Martin, Curtis, and all the initial early 1910s aviation innovators could have imagined the F22. If a Raptor went back to 1910; they could have not figured how to reverse engineer it...too much leap of technology. The jet engine and advanced materials was a HUGE game changer. Piston aircraft was made obsolete. Our WWII military technology was scrapped over the next 20 years. If an NASA atomic powered satellite had fallen back in time to 1850, how many people would have died before they realized that the funny looking material was killing people? Or the energy conversion, filtering, and conducting circruity that was contained within? Alien technology? If an vehicle appeared that was powered by anti gravity and control units were solid material not on our periodic table or polymer; would we know to take it apart? Last edited by Trivers; 07-26-2015 at 03:31 PM.. |
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