Chiefs Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block - Page 8

Direckshun · 09-09-2014, 11:02 AM

It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season.

Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want.

But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend.

With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path.

He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year).

We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be.

The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant.

Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here.

I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will.

I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way.

That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him.

This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.

Simply Red · 09-09-2014, 01:48 PM

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Chief Roundup · 09-09-2014, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Quote where Overthecap says this... PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE!!!

Profootball talk is the one that reported that the $15 mil is an injury only guarantee. If he is not injured then it changes to a roster bonus in 2017.
That is why if we cut him after the 2016 season or before the 2017 season it will only cost us a little over 7 mil to release him.
I was using over the cap to show you exactly what he is costing the team. Which is a far cry from elite money.

**The Franchise** · 09-09-2014, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I have given you proof, but it doesn't fit your agenda so you will choose to ignore. Now who is the ****ing dumbass again?

Dipshit.

The $18 million signing bonus and $1 million 2014 salary is fully guaranteed.

If he is on the roster on the third day of the 2015 league year (next March - very likely), his 2015 and 2016 salaries totaling $26 million become fully guaranteed, according to La Canfora's report.

Those figures total the reported $45 million guaranteed and his three-year pay-out. You hear people talk about the three year pay-out because NFL contracts aren't real contracts and teams will just cut players with few penalties in the back end of contracts.

jd1020 · 09-09-2014, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Profootball talk is the one that reported that the $15 mil is an injury only guarantee. If he is not injured then it changes to a roster bonus in 2017.
That is why if we cut him after the 2016 season or before the 2017 season it will only cost us a little over 7 mil to release him.
I was using over the cap to show you exactly what he is costing the team. Which is a far cry from elite money.

**New World Order** · 09-09-2014, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

It was everyone's decision. Clark Hunt came right out and said after the season was over that spending a draft pick on a QB carried a lot of risk and that in this particular class of QBs he didn't see anybody he really liked

This makes me want to vomit

Chief Roundup · 09-09-2014, 01:55 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...nd-alex-smith/

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Per a league source, Smith gets $30 million guaranteed at signing. Another $15 million in injury-only guarantee vests in March 2015.

Chief Roundup · 09-09-2014, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Dipshit.

The $18 million signing bonus and $1 million 2014 salary is fully guaranteed.

If he is on the roster on the third day of the 2015 league year (next March - very likely), his 2015 and 2016 salaries totaling $26 million become fully guaranteed, according to La Canfora's report.

Those figures total the reported $45 million guaranteed and his three-year pay-out. You hear people talk about the three year pay-out because NFL contracts aren't real contracts and teams will just cut players with few penalties in the back end of contracts.

Ok so if La Canfora is right it is still $15 mil a year. That is not elite money for a QB.

**The Franchise** · 09-09-2014, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Ok so if La Canfora is right it is still $15 mil a year. That is not elite money for a QB.

It's completely guaranteed and well over your bullshit $36M mark.

**New World Order** · 09-09-2014, 02:00 PM

I think Chief Roundup is on crack

lcarus · 09-09-2014, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Instead, we used the #1 overall pick to save about $5 million per year on our LT. THAT'S. ****ING. IT. That's what we used our #1 pick on.

Christ.

And right now he isn't even close to as good as Albert

**Ming the Merciless** · 09-09-2014, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

And right now he isn't even close to as good as Albert

and i think the numbers could even get worse..lets say we get lucky and fisher turns out as good as Albert...

His contract will come up for renegotiation very soon, and then what?

$$$$

jd1020 · 09-09-2014, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

and i think the numbers could even get worse..lets say we get lucky and fisher turns out as good as Albert...

His contract will come up for renegotiation very soon, and then what?

$$$$

Dorsey will draft a JuCo RT to replace him.

Chief Roundup · 09-09-2014, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

It's completely guaranteed and well over your bullshit $36M mark.

Well excuse the **** out of me for believing Profootballtalk and over the cap in the numbers. Yes I should have added the 7+ if we release him.
But still the point stands that $12 to $15 mil is not elite level money.

**The Franchise** · 09-09-2014, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

and i think the numbers could even get worse..lets say we get lucky and fisher turns out as good as Albert...

His contract will come up for renegotiation very soon, and then what?

$$$$

His contract is horrible now. That ****ing thing is entirely guaranteed.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 09-09-2014, 02:26 PM

Let's not forget the clown shoes Emanuel Sanders and his agent put on Dorsey this off season that has contributed to this mess on offense. Dorsey has made some colossal **** ups since taking over.

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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4393447	Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season. Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want. But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend. With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path. He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year). We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be. The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant. Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here. I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will. I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way. That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him. This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.
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