Football The Baylor Problem - Page 2

Coach · 02-02-2017, 11:02 PM

All I can say is, good lord.

That institutional is out of control, in a bad way.

What needs to be done to get it under control?

Red Dawg · 02-03-2017, 05:41 AM

Dear lord that is incredible. How can so many all be so insane and be in the same place. Baylor? I mean really?

**HemiEd** · 02-03-2017, 06:06 AM

They have had their share of problems. Remember this?

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/28/sp...deception.html
COLLEGE BASKETBALL; Death and Deception
By MIKE WISEAUG. 28, 2003

When a basketball player at the world's largest Baptist university was shot twice in the head near an old gravel pit and his former teammate was arrested and charged with pulling the trigger, the event seemed dramatic enough to open a beach holiday page turner.

And then the story unfolded, layer by layer, to expose the lying coach, the cheating program, drugs, secret tapes, clandestine meetings and an attempted cover-up at Baylor University.

Patrick Dennehy is dead -- his life to be celebrated Thursday at a final memorial service on campus. His former teammate Carlton Dotson sits in a Maryland jail cell. On Wednesday, a grand jury here indicted Dotson in Dennehy's murder.

Dave Bliss, the Baylor coach who used to dispense life-affirming advice to his players on topics like ''what it is to be a man,'' has resigned and may face criminal charges based on contents of the tapes.

Bliss, caught on tape by an assistant coach, tried to persuade others to portray Dennehy as a drug dealer, ostensibly to save his program and his reputation as one of the winningest active coaches in Division I basketball. That way, payments from the basketball office to Dennehy might not be traced back to Bliss and the murder could look like another young African-American claimed by the drug culture.

As the country now knows, an assistant coach with a conscience and a hidden tape recorder blew the cover-up and Baylor University staked its place as the site of perhaps the most shocking scandal yet in intercollegiate athletics.

The question is always the same now: ''We ask ourselves, 'How did it happen?''' Robert B. Sloan Jr., the embattled Baylor president, said on Aug. 21 in a conference room outside his office as some faculty members publicly called for his resignation. ''But it did happen here.''

Those left behind are bewildered. ''Maybe the devil is working here, trying to push us down a bit,'' said Matt Sayman, one of the few basketball players who have yet to flee Baylor. ''Not saying people weren't at fault, but the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was making us believe he didn't exist.''

Bliss's plan seemed foolproof last summer. Two rangy, athletic forwards from opposite coasts with shared hoop dreams would come to Baylor and help jump-start the aging coach's stalled program.

Dennehy and Dotson would join other second-chance athletes and transfers trying to show they could play at the major-college level so that the National Basketball Association might one day make them rich.

Bliss, entering his 28th year of coaching, would earn back the reputation he built by winning more than 500 games, placing him 13th in career victories among active coaches at the Division I level.

Dennehy and Dotson came from broken families, and they bonded quickly over rap music and action movies. Dotson was a transfer from Paris Junior College in east Texas and eligible to play his first season. Dennehy, because of National Collegiate Athletic Association eligibility rules, had to sit out a year after transferring from New Mexico, where he had been kicked off the team after storming out of practice.

On the surface, a 158-year-old Baptist university did not appear to be the ideal setting for his redemption. Baylor is the last major university to require chapel, and its ban on dancing was not lifted until 1996.

But by last summer, Dennehy had made a religious and personal transformation, said Jessica De La Rosa, whom he dated for nearly two years. He could not wait to play this season against Kansas and Oklahoma in the Big 12 Conference, she said.

Bliss saw his stuck-in-neutral program turning the corner, too. Friends and associates said he believed Harvey Thomas, a 2003 junior-college transfer, was the missing link in a team that could get him back to the N.C.A.A. tournament for the first time since he took New Mexico there in 1999.

He did not view Dotson as part of that plan, Dotson told friends. Bliss had told Dotson he would play little during the coming season, and Dotson planned to transfer again.

Dotson moved in with Dennehy in April after his marriage of eight months had fallen apart.

It all unraveled quickly after that. On June 2, the two bought and registered guns to protect themselves, they told friends.

Baylor officials said Dotson and Dennehy went to different coaches to say that they had about $300 stolen from their apartment and had been threatened by teammates. On June 7, after the five-day mandatory waiting period, they picked up the guns.

Dennehy's family has said that Baylor coaches did not take the threats seriously and did nothing to help Dennehy. ''They were being threatened and they went out and got these guns after the coaches blew them off,'' De La Rosa said.

University officials insisted at the time that neither player had complained about threats.

The last known communication from Dennehy was June 14. On June 19, he was reported missing. Dotson showed up in Maryland a few days later. Dennehy's sport utility vehicle was found abandoned in Virginia.

Dotson was arrested in late July after calling 911, saying he needed help because he was hearing voices. According to a recent report in The Washington Post, several of Dotson's family members were growing deeply concerned about his emotionally unstable behavior.

The Waco police said Dotson had told F.B.I. agents in Maryland that he shot Dennehy after the player tried to shoot him. Dotson told The Associated Press that he ''didn't confess to anything.''

Either way, a McLennan County deputy first spotted Dennehy's badly decomposed body hard off Junction 3400, a quarter-mile down a dirt road and a few miles southeast of the Baylor campus.

An autopsy report revealed that Dennehy had been shot twice above the right ear, a fact that Dennehy's family and friends say ruins the theory that the killer was acting in self-defense.

Within a few weeks, a university inquiry found that Bliss had been directly involved in paying tuition costs and other expenses for Dennehy and another player. It also found failed drug tests by players had not been properly reported, days after Bliss insisted he had been running pristine programs for 30 years.

But the most startling bombshell came soon after Bliss shook the hand of Dennehy's stepfather at a memorial service on Aug. 7 in San Jose, Calif. Bliss resigned the next day.

Abar Rouse, an assistant coach, made secret tape recordings on July 30 and 31 and Aug. 1, and turned them over to The Fort Worth Star-Telegram. Fearful that he would lose his job if he did not go along with the plan, Rouse captured Bliss on tape coaching two players to dramatize their statements about Dennehy to university and police investigators.

Bliss said on tape that Dennehy could not refute the accusations because he was dead. He suggested the two players could tell slightly different stories. ''It doesn't have to be the same story,'' he said on one tape. ''It just has to have the same ending.''

In fact, the ending to the story is still being written.

As of late August, a tribute to Bliss's 500th victory in November 2001 still resided in the trophy case of the Ferrell Center. A plaque awarded to him by the National Association of Basketball Coaches is titled ''Guardians of the Game.''

When Bliss was last heard from publicly, he was going around apologizing to players for the frame-up, with tape recorder in hand. One player's father, Richard Guinn, interrupted Bliss to get his own recorder, just in case.

De La Rosa and members of Dennehy's family, including his mother, Valorie Brabazon, and his stepfather, Brian Brabazon, wear Dennehy's ashes around their necks. They were placed in matching silver crosses with glass backing, ''so we could see Patrick,'' De La Rosa said.

She and Dennehy went shopping for his wedding ring early last spring. ''I remembered that the day I picked out his urn,'' De La Rosa said.

The gossip and intrigue has seeped into every nook and cranny of Waco, from the Baylor quadrangles to the neon beer signs at George's, a popular bar near the football stadium.

''They try to act like they don't do no wrong at that school, but then you see what happens behind the curtain,'' said Brent Dodd, a local resident who showed a visitor the site where Dennehy's body was found. ''It's just sad, real sad.''

Scott Drew is the lone ray of light now. Drew, the former Valparaiso coach, was hired on Aug. 22 to clean up the mess. He likened the job at hand to David versus Goliath, but one local columnist said that at least David had a rock. Drew joked at a news conference that he thought student interest in the basketball team would grow ''because we're going to have people who are normally in the stands out here playing.''

Sloan, the Baylor president, spoke during the welcome picnic for freshmen and transfers. He assured parents like Alan and Retha Shepherd that their 18-year-old daughter, Melanie, would be safe at Baylor -- no matter what had happened with the two basketball players and the calculating, desperate coach who hid the truth.

''Many of you will meet people over the next few years who will greatly enrich your life,'' Sloan said.

Prison Bitch · 02-03-2017, 08:00 AM

Baylor has prob 100,000 alums. Only a few committed these alleged crimes. Remember: if only a few bad Muslims don't ruin Islam, the same has to apply here

Hydrae · 02-03-2017, 10:20 AM

Good Christian (Baptist) based private university.

**notorious** · 02-03-2017, 10:43 AM

Is Baylor the most corrupt university in the nation?

Jesus, this shit is far worse than SMU

Pasta Little Brioni · 02-03-2017, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious

Is Baylor the most corrupt university in the nation?

Jesus, this shit is far worse than SMU

Maybe, but ALOT of shit gets buried at certain universities. Baylor simply is not allowed to do that.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-03-2017, 10:50 AM

Dave Bliss
Art Briles
David Koresh
Mack Rhoades
Ken Starr

Nuke it from orbit.

**Buehler445** · 02-03-2017, 11:28 AM

I just heard it on the radio, but once the text messages and stuff hit public, Briles pulled all of his lawsuits.

NO Not guilty at all!

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HemiEd Supporter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ozarks Casino cash: $3120564	They have had their share of problems. Remember this? http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/28/sp...deception.html COLLEGE BASKETBALL; Death and Deception By MIKE WISEAUG. 28, 2003 When a basketball player at the world's largest Baptist university was shot twice in the head near an old gravel pit and his former teammate was arrested and charged with pulling the trigger, the event seemed dramatic enough to open a beach holiday page turner. And then the story unfolded, layer by layer, to expose the lying coach, the cheating program, drugs, secret tapes, clandestine meetings and an attempted cover-up at Baylor University. Patrick Dennehy is dead -- his life to be celebrated Thursday at a final memorial service on campus. His former teammate Carlton Dotson sits in a Maryland jail cell. On Wednesday, a grand jury here indicted Dotson in Dennehy's murder. Dave Bliss, the Baylor coach who used to dispense life-affirming advice to his players on topics like ''what it is to be a man,'' has resigned and may face criminal charges based on contents of the tapes. Bliss, caught on tape by an assistant coach, tried to persuade others to portray Dennehy as a drug dealer, ostensibly to save his program and his reputation as one of the winningest active coaches in Division I basketball. That way, payments from the basketball office to Dennehy might not be traced back to Bliss and the murder could look like another young African-American claimed by the drug culture. As the country now knows, an assistant coach with a conscience and a hidden tape recorder blew the cover-up and Baylor University staked its place as the site of perhaps the most shocking scandal yet in intercollegiate athletics. The question is always the same now: ''We ask ourselves, 'How did it happen?''' Robert B. Sloan Jr., the embattled Baylor president, said on Aug. 21 in a conference room outside his office as some faculty members publicly called for his resignation. ''But it did happen here.'' Those left behind are bewildered. ''Maybe the devil is working here, trying to push us down a bit,'' said Matt Sayman, one of the few basketball players who have yet to flee Baylor. ''Not saying people weren't at fault, but the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was making us believe he didn't exist.'' Bliss's plan seemed foolproof last summer. Two rangy, athletic forwards from opposite coasts with shared hoop dreams would come to Baylor and help jump-start the aging coach's stalled program. Dennehy and Dotson would join other second-chance athletes and transfers trying to show they could play at the major-college level so that the National Basketball Association might one day make them rich. Bliss, entering his 28th year of coaching, would earn back the reputation he built by winning more than 500 games, placing him 13th in career victories among active coaches at the Division I level. Dennehy and Dotson came from broken families, and they bonded quickly over rap music and action movies. Dotson was a transfer from Paris Junior College in east Texas and eligible to play his first season. Dennehy, because of National Collegiate Athletic Association eligibility rules, had to sit out a year after transferring from New Mexico, where he had been kicked off the team after storming out of practice. On the surface, a 158-year-old Baptist university did not appear to be the ideal setting for his redemption. Baylor is the last major university to require chapel, and its ban on dancing was not lifted until 1996. But by last summer, Dennehy had made a religious and personal transformation, said Jessica De La Rosa, whom he dated for nearly two years. He could not wait to play this season against Kansas and Oklahoma in the Big 12 Conference, she said. Bliss saw his stuck-in-neutral program turning the corner, too. Friends and associates said he believed Harvey Thomas, a 2003 junior-college transfer, was the missing link in a team that could get him back to the N.C.A.A. tournament for the first time since he took New Mexico there in 1999. He did not view Dotson as part of that plan, Dotson told friends. Bliss had told Dotson he would play little during the coming season, and Dotson planned to transfer again. Dotson moved in with Dennehy in April after his marriage of eight months had fallen apart. It all unraveled quickly after that. On June 2, the two bought and registered guns to protect themselves, they told friends. Baylor officials said Dotson and Dennehy went to different coaches to say that they had about $300 stolen from their apartment and had been threatened by teammates. On June 7, after the five-day mandatory waiting period, they picked up the guns. Dennehy's family has said that Baylor coaches did not take the threats seriously and did nothing to help Dennehy. ''They were being threatened and they went out and got these guns after the coaches blew them off,'' De La Rosa said. University officials insisted at the time that neither player had complained about threats. The last known communication from Dennehy was June 14. On June 19, he was reported missing. Dotson showed up in Maryland a few days later. Dennehy's sport utility vehicle was found abandoned in Virginia. Dotson was arrested in late July after calling 911, saying he needed help because he was hearing voices. According to a recent report in The Washington Post, several of Dotson's family members were growing deeply concerned about his emotionally unstable behavior. The Waco police said Dotson had told F.B.I. agents in Maryland that he shot Dennehy after the player tried to shoot him. Dotson told The Associated Press that he ''didn't confess to anything.'' Either way, a McLennan County deputy first spotted Dennehy's badly decomposed body hard off Junction 3400, a quarter-mile down a dirt road and a few miles southeast of the Baylor campus. An autopsy report revealed that Dennehy had been shot twice above the right ear, a fact that Dennehy's family and friends say ruins the theory that the killer was acting in self-defense. Within a few weeks, a university inquiry found that Bliss had been directly involved in paying tuition costs and other expenses for Dennehy and another player. It also found failed drug tests by players had not been properly reported, days after Bliss insisted he had been running pristine programs for 30 years. But the most startling bombshell came soon after Bliss shook the hand of Dennehy's stepfather at a memorial service on Aug. 7 in San Jose, Calif. Bliss resigned the next day. Abar Rouse, an assistant coach, made secret tape recordings on July 30 and 31 and Aug. 1, and turned them over to The Fort Worth Star-Telegram. Fearful that he would lose his job if he did not go along with the plan, Rouse captured Bliss on tape coaching two players to dramatize their statements about Dennehy to university and police investigators. Bliss said on tape that Dennehy could not refute the accusations because he was dead. He suggested the two players could tell slightly different stories. ''It doesn't have to be the same story,'' he said on one tape. ''It just has to have the same ending.'' In fact, the ending to the story is still being written. As of late August, a tribute to Bliss's 500th victory in November 2001 still resided in the trophy case of the Ferrell Center. A plaque awarded to him by the National Association of Basketball Coaches is titled ''Guardians of the Game.'' When Bliss was last heard from publicly, he was going around apologizing to players for the frame-up, with tape recorder in hand. One player's father, Richard Guinn, interrupted Bliss to get his own recorder, just in case. De La Rosa and members of Dennehy's family, including his mother, Valorie Brabazon, and his stepfather, Brian Brabazon, wear Dennehy's ashes around their necks. They were placed in matching silver crosses with glass backing, ''so we could see Patrick,'' De La Rosa said. She and Dennehy went shopping for his wedding ring early last spring. ''I remembered that the day I picked out his urn,'' De La Rosa said. The gossip and intrigue has seeped into every nook and cranny of Waco, from the Baylor quadrangles to the neon beer signs at George's, a popular bar near the football stadium. ''They try to act like they don't do no wrong at that school, but then you see what happens behind the curtain,'' said Brent Dodd, a local resident who showed a visitor the site where Dennehy's body was found. ''It's just sad, real sad.'' Scott Drew is the lone ray of light now. Drew, the former Valparaiso coach, was hired on Aug. 22 to clean up the mess. He likened the job at hand to David versus Goliath, but one local columnist said that at least David had a rock. Drew joked at a news conference that he thought student interest in the basketball team would grow ''because we're going to have people who are normally in the stands out here playing.'' Sloan, the Baylor president, spoke during the welcome picnic for freshmen and transfers. He assured parents like Alan and Retha Shepherd that their 18-year-old daughter, Melanie, would be safe at Baylor -- no matter what had happened with the two basketball players and the calculating, desperate coach who hid the truth. ''Many of you will meet people over the next few years who will greatly enrich your life,'' Sloan said.
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