Ned Yost Hate Thread

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels

Yost has done a tremendous job of arguing against that wisdom.

You are just asserting that, there's no reason to believe that its true.

The people who should be blamed for the player's failure is the players first, the GM second, and then after that, in a distant third, a random grab-bag of trainers and coaches of whom Ned is one of them.

[Stanley Nickels]

Originally Posted by alnorth

You are just asserting that, there's no reason to believe that its true.

Isn't that the point of posting? Asserting an opinion? I must be missing something.

[Fairplay]

Originally Posted by alnorth

You are just asserting that, there's no reason to believe that its true.

The people who should be blamed for the player's failure is the players first, the GM second, and then after that, in a distant third, a random grab-bag of trainers and coaches of whom Ned is one of them.

GM then Yost, in that order to be blamed.

[Stanley Nickels]

Originally Posted by alnorth

You are just asserting that, there's no reason to believe that its true.

The people who should be blamed for the player's failure is the players first, the GM second, and then after that, in a distant third, a random grab-bag of trainers and coaches of whom Ned is one of them.

Here's my frustration: we're talking about players in their mid-20s. These are grown men, but they hardly have the wisdom of people in even their 30s. If I knew in my early- to mid-20s what I know at THIRTY, I would have been on a completely different path in life. The managers and coaches, ESPECIALLY those in a game that requires so few interruptions throughout the course of a game (as opposed to, say, football or basketball), and even MORE SO on a young team that needs direction, should provide guidance, reassurance, and discipline. I FEEL (I apparently have to say that, because you seem to think my posts are me making a declarative with every sentence) that Yost and crew fail in those regards. Where does the blame lie for our major issues this year?

LineupS (I can't really capitalize that S enough): YOST. Batting Chris Getz at 1 is a desperation move that is the closest thing to a metaphorical white flag as you'll see.
Pitching change decisions: YOST, but these decisions have been below-average at best, so I won't get on his case too much.
Francouer: Moore
Hosmer: YOST. The potential is there, we all know it. Players slump; again, we all know it. But this slump has been consistent and he's not an outlier against a team full of power bats. Something has failed to be rectified.
Moustakas: Yost AND Moore. He should've been sent down. We did it for Gordon, we could do it for Moose. If the rumors are true, and Moose simply won't watch his at-bats, that is an absolute mental weakness, and that the coaching staff won't force the issue is a clear failure on their part.

I'm sorry, I just see too many signs of failure from the bench team to place this lump of shit at the feet of Dayton Moore. Yes, he shares a large amount of the blame, but I FEEEEL that Yost deserves the ax first. I wouldn't, of course, be opposed to both receiving a swift kick out of the proverbial door. I just wish Glass would try kicking both at the same time and somehow suffer a coma-inducing concussion. But this is all pipe dreams; we are shit, we've been shit for the past 28 years, and we'll continue to be shit.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels

Here's my frustration: we're talking about players in their mid-20s. These are grown men, but they hardly have the wisdom of people in even their 30s. If I knew in my early- to mid-20s what I know at THIRTY, I would have been on a completely different path in life. The managers and coaches, ESPECIALLY those in a game that requires so few interruptions throughout the course of a game (as opposed to, say, football or basketball), and even MORE SO on a young team that needs direction, should provide guidance, reassurance, and discipline. I FEEL (I apparently have to say that, because you seem to think my posts are me making a declarative with every sentence) that Yost and crew fail in those regards. Where does the blame lie for our major issues this year?

I disagree with the most fundamental assumption that you are making here: that they are poor young lost kids who need some sort of fatherly guidance and motivation to perform.

They are F'ing grown-ass men. They aren't 12 years old. This also isn't football where screaming and knocking helmets together may fire you up to more effort, baseball is a "cool" sport, in that being too "fired up" can actually be counter-productive and cause you to fail.

[Fairplay]

Originally Posted by alnorth

I disagree with the most fundamental assumption that you are making here: that they are poor young lost kids who need some sort of fatherly guidance and motivation to perform.

They are F'ing grown-ass men. They aren't 12 years old. This also isn't football where screaming and knocking helmets together may fire you up to more effort, baseball is a "cool" sport, in that being too "fired up" can actually be counter-productive and cause you to fail.

Regardless Yost is still their leader and has to guide them.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Fairplay

Regardless Yost is still their leader and has to guide them.

Guide them in what way? You aren't introducing a new offensive and defensive scheme and drilling for months on it. Everyone in baseball plays the game in pretty much the same way, except maybe the Rays with their aggressive defensive shifting.

He needs to do a little more than roll the baseballs and fungo bats out and tell them to play, but not much more.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Guide them in what way? You aren't introducing a new offensive and defensive scheme and drilling for months on it. Everyone in baseball plays the game in pretty much the same way, except maybe the Rays with their aggressive defensive shifting.

He needs to do a little more than roll the baseballs and fungo bats out and tell them to play, but not much more.

BS, alnorth and you know that.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by petegz28

BS, alnorth and you know that.

I'm assuming we're excluding gameday decisions like not throwing 130 pitches, and not bunting in the 3rd inning.

Excluding that, these guys have played baseball for decades. There's not a new offensive or defensive philosophy to unlearn and relearn like in the other major sports, baseball is baseball. There's not much for the manager to do.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by alnorth

I disagree with the most fundamental assumption that you are making here: that they are poor young lost kids who need some sort of fatherly guidance and motivation to perform.

They are F'ing grown-ass men. They aren't 12 years old. This also isn't football where screaming and knocking helmets together may fire you up to more effort, baseball is a "cool" sport, in that being too "fired up" can actually be counter-productive and cause you to fail.

Ok, you say they're grown ass men? They are acting like children, giving their little hand-signals after squeezing out every little infield single. Ned just sits back and lets it happen.

He isn't treating them like grown men, imo.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Ok, you say they're grown ass men? They are acting like children, giving their little hand-signals after squeezing out every little infield single. Ned just sits back and lets it happen.

He isn't treating them like grown men, imo.

You have got to be kidding me.

There is nothing, whatsoever, wrong with this behavior.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by alnorth

You have got to be kidding me.

There is nothing, whatsoever, wrong with this behavior.

, ok....if you say so.

Funny that I don't see the teams that are kicking our ass doing any of that shit.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by petegz28

, ok....if you say so.

Funny that I don't see the teams that are kicking our ass doing any of that shit.

Those hand gestures that seem to offend you for some strange reason cause them to not hit?

Really? On what planet is this true?

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Originally Posted by alnorth

You have got to be kidding me.

There is nothing, whatsoever, wrong with this behavior.

For arguably the first time in my life, I agree with Pete here. When you've lost 90% of your games this month, you need to stop acting like you've one the World Series every time you hit a single.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by thurman merman

For arguably the first time in my life, I agree with Pete here. When you've lost 90% of your games this month, you need to stop acting like you've one the World Series every time you hit a single.

So, which is it. Do we need the players, who are apparently fragile and need encouragement, to encourage each other every time they have some success, or not?

I don't care either way, but I don't think it means a damned thing in terms of wins and losses.