Would Arrowhead's Toys in the Attic sell today?

[alanm]

Was bored when I got home and wanted to listen to some music. So I was perusing and saw Arrowsmith's Toys in the Attic amonst the multitudes of CD's. It's been a long time since I listened to this particular album. But I think it still holds up. Yeah it's Bronco week. **** off. Just wondering.Remember I was bored. And maybe feeling a little old.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by alanm

This kid is good. I'm talking Stevie Ray good!! But it does no good if there's no market for talent. If no one is interested what's the point?

Then his best bet is Berklee College of Music in Boston or USC or UCLA film school so that he learns how to compose and produce music for a lifelong career.

Unfortunately, no one cares if you can play like SRV or EVH or whomever. There are a metric shit ton of guys that can do that in LA, in time, one take. It means nothing.

But if he can compose and produce, the future is wide open.

[alanm]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Exactly why I've been getting into the Blues and Bluegrass the last few years.

A handful of people own all the radio stations, video and the computer killed musicianship on a major level, big hair got crushed by grunge, and rap has been mainstream for two decades...usually music flows, but feels like a rut right now.

I'd rather listen to Bobby Gentry and RL Burnside or Steep Canyon Rangers.

vinyl is making a huge comeback and that s where I'm going to start putting my money into..DECADES of great music in a medium that is organic and endearing.

jMO

If enough people do it perhaps it will finally make a point to the people who care. I know I will do all I can because I still believe in those who dream!!

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by alanm

If enough people do it perhaps it will finally make a point to the people who care. I know I will do all I can because I still believe in those who dream!!

No. Stop it right now.

It'll never, ever, ever happen.

If you want to help your nephew, set him on the right path.

[Smed1065]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

They wouldn't even get signed today to a major label. I don't care what any of you guys say, rock is dead.

Dead.

It's not being licensed for film and TV, it's not selling albums and it's not selling tours. Even Van Halen can't sell out stadiums anymore and they're relegated to small arenas and amphitheaters.

The young kids and teens are not into guitar driven rock with lyrics about sex and love. They're not. It's a different mindset and a different vibe.

All seems true but rock is not "dead' it will return retro 1 day-

I thought it was dead several years ago while searching for rock, even classic rock last year.

I just might just be old but seems the lines are more blurred than before as far as "genre" is concerned.

Always say I realized I was old when rock was called "classic rock" back when!

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Smed1065

All seems true but rock is not "dead' it will return retro 1 day-

I thought it was dead several years ago while searching for rock, even classic rock last year.

I just might just be old but seems the lines are more blurred than before as far as "genre" is concerned.

Always say I realized I was old when rock was called "classic rock" back when!

Have you checked out Rival Sons? It might be up your alley.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Have you checked out Rival Sons? It might be up your alley.

Touring with Sabbath is what I heard

[KC native]

Dane is dropping real music business knowledge on you ****s.

The people making the real money in the music business are behind the scenes.

It's rare for acts to be profitable anymore.

A lot of the transition has been self-inflicted. The RIAA ****ed themselves by not embracing electronic platforms earlier. Music used to dominate peoples' entertainment "wallet". Now music competes with video games, youtube, movies, tv, etc.

Edit: Also, pricing. The industry ****ed themselves by not making albums cheaper as production methods got cheaper.

[Chromatic]

Also, it should be noted that with almost every guitar player who "makes it", there are thousands who don't and have to pack it in sooner or later.

Every legendary guitarist has stories about guys they came up with being a better player, composer, producer, better everything than they were. Even back when guitar driven music was "in" and the record industry was somewhat healthy, it still took an incalculable amount of luck to make it or at least make a decent living at it, and even then that didn't last a lot of the time.

Henry Rollins used to do bits about the people of Hollywood in the music, movie, and fashion industry who took their shot and didn't make it. They were miserable.

[alanm]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Then his best bet is Berklee College of Music in Boston or USC or UCLA film school so that he learns how to compose and produce music for a lifelong career.

Unfortunately, no one cares if you can play like SRV or EVH or whomever. There are a metric shit ton of guys that can do that in LA, in time, one take. It means nothing.

But if he can compose and produce, the future is wide open.

Im sorry is there no one out there who makes your jaw drop anymore playing a instrument like the guitar. Does it even matter anymore? And if not that's got to be the saddest statement on the matter of popular entertainment or music at the moment.

[Smed1065]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Radio is an indicator of nothing.

Radio exists because of advertising. Advertisers know their market and attempt to sell their products to their target audience. That's why you'll hear different advertising on Classic Rock stations than you will on "Pop" music stations.

Furthermore, there is no direct link between album sales, concert tickets and radio. I used to see songs in heavy rotation in which you'd think the artist sold 10 million records when in fact, they'd not even hit 200,000.

But the bottom line in terms of Aerosmith is that the heyday of that music is long over. Even if Aerosmith put out a record that was better than Toys (which is impossible, especially since they stopped writing their own songs more than 30 years ago), no one would care.

Got to ask is it true that most media (not just radio stations-tv,mags,NP) are owned by very few (I mean 10-20 companies almost worldwide not just US now).

I have always been told that by friends in music, small bands since around the 90's. No number mentioned back then but that was b4 the internet etc.

[Chromatic]

Originally Posted by KC native

A lot of the transition has been self-inflicted. The RIAA ****ed themselves by not embracing electronic platforms earlier. Music used to dominate peoples' entertainment "wallet". Now music competes with video games, youtube, movies, tv, etc.

That would have happened anyway. To get really into music and buy everything could cost 80-100$ a month back in the early 2000's, and that just includes the cds and vinyl. When torrenting came in the industry was doomed.

It still would have ended up in the same place it is now due to the high prices of the music and the fact that people have slowly had their wallets squeezed by the worsening state of the economy over the last 15 years.

[KC native]

Originally Posted by Smed1065

Got to ask is it true that most media (not just radio stations-tv,mags,NP) are owned by very few (I mean 10-20 companies almost worldwide not just US now).

I have always been told that by friends in music, small bands since around the 90's. No number mentioned back then but that was b4 the internet etc.

Media companies have consolidated so they can remain decently profitable.

Because they allowed their domination of people's entertainment time/budget, they now compete across different forms of entertainment (look at how big the video game companies have gotten).

[stevieray]

[QUOTE=alanm;11731822]Im sorry is there no one out there who makes your jaw drop anymore playing a instrument like the guitar. Does it even matter anymore? And if not that's got to be the saddest statement on the matter of popular entertainment or music at the moment. [/QUOT

Check out Parker Millsap..kid is tal ent ed

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Touring with Sabbath is what I heard

Yep

Have you checked them out? Any connection?

[alanm]

Originally Posted by Chromatic

Also, it should be noted that with almost every guitar player who "makes it", there are thousands who don't and have to pack it in sooner or later.

Every legendary guitarist has stories about guys they came up with being a better player, composer, producer, better everything than they were. Even back when guitar driven music was "in" and the record industry was somewhat healthy, it still took an incalculable amount of luck to make it or at least make a decent living at it, and even then that didn't last a lot of the time.

Henry Rollins used to do bits about the people of Hollywood in the music, movie, and fashion industry who took their shot and didn't make it. They were miserable.

Believe me I'm one of the most jaded Mother ****ers out there. This kid blows my shit away. I know it wasn't from my genes or my Sister or Bro in Law's This came from somewhere else.