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Old 06-21-2015, 11:57 AM  
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Two 1st round picks for Russell Wilson in '16 and '17 or '17 and '18





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Old 06-28-2015, 02:51 PM   #1246
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Who has said that?
Every time he gets compared to Alex Smith people are saying that.
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Old 06-28-2015, 02:52 PM   #1247
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2007: Drafted Brandon Mebane
2008: Drafted Red Bryant
2009: Drafted Max Unger, signed Michael Bennett as a UDFA
2010: Drafted Russell Okung, Earl Thomas, Golden Tate, Walter Thurmond, and Kam Chancellor, traded for Chris Clemons and Marshawn Lynch
2011: Drafted Richard Sherman, KJ Wright, Byron Maxwell, and Malcolm Smith, signed Doug Baldwin as a UDFA

"But, but, it was all Wilson! He walked into a bad team with no talent around him!"
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Old 06-28-2015, 02:52 PM   #1248
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You said they had a good team with a defense and running game in place. I'll concede that they had a defense, but they certainly didn't have a good running game before Wilson.

They had a good defense and an utterly ineffective offense prior to Wilson's arrival. They went from a team that was consistently in the lower third of the league in scoring offense (even with Marshawn Lynch) to a top 10 scoring offense with Wilson at the helm.

And I'm supposed to believe that Marshawn is the key ingredient to that team's offensive success?
And the Chiefs went from a bottom 5 offense in 2012 to the number 6 scoring offense in 2013 when Alex Smith got here. They fell in 2014 to 16th but I guarantee they'll be back to being top 8 this year.

Does that mean Alex Smith is elite?
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Old 06-28-2015, 02:55 PM   #1249
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Many of those QB's didn't have a chance to. I believe Dilfer's last year was that season, Alex didn't play, though that team took Alex to an inch of the SB and a first year starting QB to the SB.

Brady and Big Ben obviously won multiple SB's.

I forgot Brad Johnson, who I believe was let go as well.
The answer is none of them.

Dilfer was the only one replaced the season following the SB.
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And the Chiefs went from a bottom 5 offense in 2012 to the number 6 scoring offense in 2013 when Alex Smith got here. They fell in 2014 to 16th but I guarantee they'll be back to being top 8 this year.

Does that mean Alex Smith is elite?
Stats lie. They scored on ST and D in his first year.

They were actually only 11th in offensive points per game (due to easy schedule) and fell back to 16th last year, which is the norm for an Alex Smith offense. There they will remain.
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The Chiefs were 16th in points scored with no WR TD's from a bottom 3 unit and a bottom 3 OL.

That speaks volumes to the QB and HC fighting through adversity, something Wilson has never had to do.

With better pieces this year, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Chiefs be in or around the top 10 in scoring.
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The Chiefs were 16th in points scored with no WR TD's from a bottom 3 unit and a bottom 3 OL.

That speaks volumes to the QB and HC fighting through adversity, something Wilson has never had to do.

With better pieces this year, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Chiefs be in or around the top 10 in scoring.
I'd be surprised if they WERENT top 10 in scoring.
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The 10th best scoring team in the NFL last year was Seattle. They scored 41 more total points.

The additions this team made can help us score 41 more points. I have no doubt about that.
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And the Chiefs went from a bottom 5 offense in 2012 to the number 6 scoring offense in 2013 when Alex Smith got here. They fell in 2014 to 16th but I guarantee they'll be back to being top 8 this year.

Does that mean Alex Smith is elite?
Disregarding the fact that we scored a defensive or ST TD in, like, our first 8 games of the 2013 season, going from 6th to 16th shows no consistency. We've yet to determine how much exactly Alex contributes to our offensive success as far as points are concerned. The Seahawks went from a bottom 10 offense to a consistent top 10 every year Wilson's been playing. That's a very significant jump and while the pieces around him are constantly changing, he continues to lead them to success.

Also, I've never said Russell was elite. My elite list only consists of Peyton, Brady and Rodgers as of now. Wilson would be in the second tier with other guys like Luck, Roethlisberger, etc.
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Stats lie. They scored on ST and D in his first year.
Except every time you use them, right?
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Alex Smith is a good QB, by the way.

My issues with Smith are pretty well documented on this site. He frustrates me because he leaves so many yards, 1st downs, TDs, etc. on the field with his risk-aversion. I appreciate his lack of turnovers, which obviously help us win many games, but he needs to open up in a big way. I'm tired of the other team getting a 7 point lead and feeling like we've basically got no shot to win the game.
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The biggest reason we dropped in PPG is the loss of Branden Albert.

Until this team has an OL, Alex is powerless to lead them to a top 10 ranking.
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Why are people putting the consistency ALL on one player?

The last 2 season we have seen a different starter at the following positions.

LT
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There has been no No consistency at all, especially on the OL.
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Alex Smith is a good QB, by the way.

My issues with Smith are pretty well documented on this site. He frustrates me because he leaves so many yards, 1st downs, TDs on the field with his risk-aversion. I appreciate his lack of turnovers, which obviously help us win many games, but he needs to open up in a big way. I'm tired of the other team getting a 7 point lead and feeling like we've basically got no shot to win the game.
He's a 1x qb. He's not gonna hurt the team but he's going to make it exactly what it is, on occasion better, in occasion worse.

It seems they've built the offense to his strengths this year but that's yet to be seen
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Except every time you use them, right?
If you're crediting Alex Smith for scores generated by the defense and special teams, you are using statistics to lie.
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