* Kansas City Royals @ Philadelphia Phillies Game Thread (4/6) *

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by Nickel D

When your closer throws 3 walks before getting an out, he no longer should be a closer. The ump's strike zone was tight all night. Yost, Perez...everyone in the ballpark knew that. The closer's job is to hit the strike zone, whatever the size of it.

Again, Herrera threw 11 strikes in just 14 pitches (I erroneously previously said 13 pitches; I stand corrected). If he gets in trouble early in the 9th, then you can knock your socks off and go with Holland...who, BTW, could have been brought in for the final 2 outs to get his precious save.

God forbid if anyone other than Holland gets a save for the Royals this year. He's counting on getting his ticket punched to Cooperstown...not for his total saves number, but for total number of save opportunities -- because that's what really counts.

Yes but he proceeded to K the next 2 guys out. Then you bring in someone else? Give me a break man. If he gave up a hit, yes.

[Three7s]

Holland was overthrowing his 4-seam fastball and splitter the whole inning. Same thing he did against the Sox. If he can't keep the adrenaline from knocking his mechanics off, there's no way that's going to work. I'd still rather have Herrera because I think Herrera has a better arsenal and more control.

[MeatRock]

Originally Posted by Three7s

Holland was overthrowing his 4-seam fastball and splitter the whole inning. Same thing he did against the Sox. If he can't keep the adrenaline from knocking his mechanics off, there's no way that's going to work. I'd still rather have Herrera because I think Herrera has a better arsenal and more control.

Better arsenal? Tell me, what more does Herrera have pitch selection wise than Holland?

[Three7s]

Originally Posted by MeatRock

Better arsenal? Tell me, what more does Herrera have pitch selection wise than Holland?

Upper 90s fastball that can be spotted, power changeup in the upper 80s and slow changeup in the low 80s, as well as a tight slider. Hey, maybe Holland will get it together and this is just an anomaly, I just think Herrera's better.

[MeatRock]

Originally Posted by Three7s

Upper 90s fastball that can be spotted, power changeup in the upper 80s and slow changeup in the low 80s, as well as a tight slider. Hey, maybe Holland will get it together and this is just an anomaly, I just think Herrera's better.

Holland has a 95 mph fastball with a power slider, +4 seamer and slow curve. Holland has the tools for a closer with the devastating slider and + fastball.

[Al Bundy]

Originally Posted by MeatRock

Holland has a 95 mph fastball with a power slider, +4 seamer and slow curve. Holland has the tools for a closer with the devastating slider and + fastball.

Add shaky "confidence" to that and yep.. you have described Holland tonight.

[Three7s]

Originally Posted by Al Bundy

Add shaky "confidence" to that and yep.. you have described Holland tonight.

[MeatRock]

Originally Posted by Al Bundy

Add shaky "confidence" to that and yep.. you have described Holland tonight.

So you know his confidence was shaken, or was it that his control just wasn't there tonight?

[Nickel D]

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

Yes but he proceeded to K the next 2 guys out. Then you bring in someone else? Give me a break man. If he gave up a hit, yes.

Read my post again with both eyes open and your brain somehow actively and accurately processing input. I said Holland only needed to get the FINAL 2 outs. I also said Yost should have had the hot hand (Herrera) start the 9th inning, and then, IF HERRERA GOT IN TROUBLE EARLY IN THAT INNING, to bring in Holland.

BTW, Holland did give up a hit and Yost, I'm sure, was ready to then bring in someone else. Unfortunately, by that time, everyone had left the ball field.

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by Nickel D

Read my post again with both eyes open and your brain somehow actively and accurately processing input. I said Holland only needed to get the FINAL 2 outs. I also said Yost should have had the hot hand (Herrera) start the 9th inning, and then, IF HERRERA GOT IN TROUBLE EARLY IN THAT INNING, to bring in Holland.

BTW, Holland did give up a hit and Yost, I'm sure, was ready to then bring in someone else. Unfortunately, by that time, everyone had left the ball field.

You don't ****ing process what a closer's role is. You can't take a chance that Herrera gets into trouble. You don't want your closer coming into a mess. Let him start fresh with no one on. He just didn't have it tonight. It happens.

[KevB]

Originally Posted by Nickel D

I also said Yost should have had the hot hand (Herrera) start the 9th inning, and then, IF HERRERA GOT IN TROUBLE EARLY IN THAT INNING, to bring in Holland.

Just curious, but did you say this beforehand, or just after Holland blew the lead. I don't remember a single poster suggesting Holland shouldn't come in to start the 9th.