Scientists find cosmic ripples from birth of universe

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Who said there is a cause?

Eh. You start getting into tangled philosophical arguments. Why is there something instead of nothing? Why is there life instead of no life? Again, we're talking belief here. If one believes god created the universe, you can't tell them they're wrong.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by Messier

Eh. You start getting into tangled philosophical arguments. Why is there something instead of nothing? Why is there life instead of no life? Again, we're talking belief here. If one believes god created the universe, you can't tell them they're wrong.

If they are going to post things that are explained by supernatural forces I feel inclined to explain with natural forces. Maybe its a character flaw, but really its very simple to just reverse the argument and ask if the universe is not eternal why is god? If the answer is "cuz I believe that" then that my answer is as well.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

If they are going to post things that are explained by supernatural forces I feel inclined to explain with natural forces. Maybe its a character flaw, but really its very simple to just reverse the argument and ask if the universe is not eternal why is god? If the answer is "cuz I believe that" then that my answer is as well.

wow, you have officially solidified your idiocy. We know the universe is expanding right? We have a theory that it started by the big bang, right? So, what caused the Big Bang? The Big Bang theory is basically saying that everything was created out of one explosion and that explosion created all matter and energy and time and space. So, what caused the Big Bang? If that is "the beginning" then what was happening or not happening before this "beginning." If there was nothing happening, if there was no matter, no energy, no time, no space, how did this explosion start?

If you saying everything came out of nothing, how exactly does that work? The Big Bang theory is the biggest magic trick in all of creation if that is what you are saying. But I'm sure you don't believe in "magic" or the supernatural, right? So how did the big bang start?

Let me answer this for you--you don't have a friggen clue.

[Sensual Lardass]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

wow, you have officially solidified your idiocy. We know the universe is expanding right? We have a theory that it started by the big bang, right? So, what caused the Big Bang? The Big Bang theory is basically saying that everything was created out of one explosion and that explosion created all matter and energy and time and space. So, what caused the Big Bang? If that is "the beginning" then what was happening or not happening before this "beginning." If there was nothing happening, if there was no matter, no energy, no time, no space, how did this explosion start?

If you saying everything came out of nothing, how exactly does that work? The Big Bang theory is the biggest magic trick in all of creation if that is what you are saying. But I'm sure you don't believe in "magic" or the supernatural, right? So how did the big bang start?

Let me answer this for you--you don't have a friggen clue.

Here's another question........what is the universe expanding in to? What was here before?

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Sensual Lardass

Here's another question........what is the universe expanding in to? What was here before?

yep, how can an expanding universe be expanding into nothing?

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

wow, you have officially solidified your idiocy. We know the universe is expanding right? We have a theory that it started by the big bang, right? So, what caused the Big Bang? The Big Bang theory is basically saying that everything was created out of one explosion and that explosion created all matter and energy and time and space. So, what caused the Big Bang? If that is "the beginning" then what was happening or not happening before this "beginning." If there was nothing happening, if there was no matter, no energy, no time, no space, how did this explosion start?

If you saying everything came out of nothing, how exactly does that work? The Big Bang theory is the biggest magic trick in all of creation if that is what you are saying. But I'm sure you don't believe in "magic" or the supernatural, right? So how did the big bang start?

Let me answer this for you--you don't have a friggen clue.

I guess reading is not your thing. It's been explained 3-4 times in this very thread. So I'll assume you don't want to discuss it.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

I guess reading is not your thing. It's been explained 3-4 times in this very thread. So I'll assume you don't want to discuss it.

No, it hasn't been explained at all. You did a few early posts about the quantifiable measurement of time which did not exist before the big bang:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

If anybody ever cares to check on it, you should google what's called Planck time you will find amazing things happening in time iso small it's almost immeasurable. That's what they're talking about in the video and what the guy was talking about in the other video about billions of trillionths of trillionths of seconds when you get down to a certain level it's called Planck time.

If you have a scientific mind you will be amazed.

This doesn't answer the question of how something came out of nothing. Then you say:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Planck's time is the time it takes for light to travel Planck's length. Actions across lengths less than this boundary have no meaning because distance/relativity stop and quantum mechanics take over at Planck's length. The smallest length (Planck's length) divided by the fastest speed (the speed of light), is the time it takes for the fastest thing to travel the shortest distance. Thus, times shorter than Planck's time do not make sense.

Guess what, time and energy (light) and space did not exist before the big bang, so this post does not address how everything came out of nothing. Do you even understand what nothing is?

Here's the same question by another poster:

Originally Posted by TripleThreat

So what made the tiny speck that created the universe? Where did it come from? Haha

Then you post this which does not answer the question of the big bang, but is more of a philosophical discussion on how the universe came into existence:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Probably. There is some photographic evidence that supports it. I can't imagine this is the only universe. I'm kind of partial to the bubble multiverse.

Bubble Universes...

That's pretty, but completely useless. Thanks for nothing, again. Then you post this:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Absolutely. It's mans greatest achievements that we have come to discover things so vastly far away and those so vastly small as well. I can't imagine anything more interesting or awe inspiring. I saw a quasar 10 billion light years away. Thats

6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 miles away. Thats impressive in my book.

Again, this has nothing to do with how the big bang started. Then there is this 2 hour video which is nothing but conjecture and more philosphical discussion than it is hard science:

Originally Posted by DRU

Lawrence Krauss has answers to that.

"Krauss's latest book, A Universe from Nothing: Why There is Something Rather than Nothing, explains the scientific advances that provide insight into how the universe formed. Krauss tackles the age-old assumption that something cannot arise from nothing by arguing that not only can something arise from nothing, but something will always arise from nothing."

This is where Krauss likes to talk about magic, that is, the creation of something (or everything) from nothing. Of couse, this breaks every single scientific law and is complete speculation based more on faith than on facts, hard science and provable theories, it's a discussion on magic. You won't call it that but people like me who have common sense see it for what it is, a discussion on magic.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

This is where Krauss likes to talk about magic, that is, the creation of something (or everything) from nothing. Of couse, this breaks every single scientific law and is complete speculation based more on faith than on facts, hard science and provable theories, it's a discussion on magic. You won't call it that but people like me who have common sense see it for what it is, a discussion on magic.

There was a time, just a few hundred years ago, when people didn't understand what made humans sick. They blamed it on silly things like punishment from God, witchcraft, contact with dead animals, bad air, etc. Then someone came along and proposed that there were tiny microscopic creatures too small to see, that were invading the human body and causing sickness. This was overwhelmingly met with the same denial you're showing here. People refused to believe it could be possible. There was no proof. It was a discussion on magic.

Yesterday's magic often becomes tomorrow's science.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Fish

There was a time, just a few hundred years ago, when people didn't understand what made humans sick. They blamed it on silly things like punishment from God, witchcraft, contact with dead animals, bad air, etc. Then someone came along and proposed that there were tiny microscopic creatures too small to see, that were invading the human body and causing sickness. This was overwhelmingly met with the same denial you're showing here. People refused to believe it could be possible. There was no proof. It was a discussion on magic.

Yesterday's magic often becomes tomorrow's science.

You're talking about god of the gaps.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Fish

There was a time, just a few hundred years ago, when people didn't understand what made humans sick. They blamed it on silly things like punishment from God, witchcraft, contact with dead animals, bad air, etc. Then someone came along and proposed that there were tiny microscopic creatures too small to see, that were invading the human body and causing sickness. This was overwhelmingly met with the same denial you're showing here. People refused to believe it could be possible. There was no proof. It was a discussion on magic.

Yesterday's magic often becomes tomorrow's science.

true, but correct me if I'm wrong, scientific laws are there for a reason, that is, they are provable, varifiable and accepted facts. You cannot create matter from nothing according to scientific laws, that's impossible. However, in order to justify the theory of the big bang, and by proxy the theory of evolution, people like Krauss are resorting to what is little more than a discussion on magic.

My whole involvement in this thread came about because the Dave Lane poster said it's easier to explain the existence of the universe if you take the supernatural out of the equation. But then when you do that how do you explain everything coming out of nothing? It takes a lot of speculation, imagination and pure fiction to explain something coming out of nothing, yet people like Dave Lane say it's easier to do this than say "God created the universe?"

This is called being a hypocrit where I come from.

[DRU]

Originally Posted by Messier

Eh. You start getting into tangled philosophical arguments. Why is there something instead of nothing? Why is there life instead of no life? Again, we're talking belief here. If one believes god created the universe, you can't tell them they're wrong.

Lawrence Krauss has answers to that.

"Krauss's latest book, A Universe from Nothing: Why There is Something Rather than Nothing, explains the scientific advances that provide insight into how the universe formed. Krauss tackles the age-old assumption that something cannot arise from nothing by arguing that not only can something arise from nothing, but something will always arise from nothing."

[Messier]

Originally Posted by DRU

Lawrence Krauss has answers to that.

"Krauss's latest book, A Universe from Nothing: Why There is Something Rather than Nothing, explains the scientific advances that provide insight into how the universe formed. Krauss tackles the age-old assumption that something cannot arise from nothing by arguing that not only can something arise from nothing, but something will always arise from nothing."

Okay.

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by DRU

Lawrence Krauss has answers to that.

"Krauss's latest book, A Universe from Nothing: Why There is Something Rather than Nothing, explains the scientific advances that provide insight into how the universe formed. Krauss tackles the age-old assumption that something cannot arise from nothing by arguing that not only can something arise from nothing, but something will always arise from nothing."

I need to tell my bank account to read his book.