Life without Parole for nonviolent Cannabis conviction

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

The judge is saying "Conspiracy" because the cops lied about following standard procedure. That's it. Period.

they lied under oath about the entire case. The entire case is fabricated. link

they essentially had the defendant under observation but failed to get a warrant for a search. They said the reason for the traffic stop was "failure to use turn signal" and probable cause for search was "smelling marijuana." The video evidence contradicts that.

Rights violated:
4th ammendment (searches and seizures without warrant)
right to discovery (evidence regarding basis of stop fabricated)
perjury by witnesses in criminal case.

you can call it failing to "follow procedure." I call it illegal and undermining the criminal justice system.

Originally Posted by Detoxing

I support recreational, legal use, not black market drug trafficking.

there is only a black market because in some places (such as Illinois) it is not legal.

what you are saying is the equivalent of someone during prohibition saying, " I am an alcohol drinker. I support recreational, legal use, not black market alcohol trafficking." Its hypocritical because, at one point, it was illegal throughout the USA.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

they lied under oath about the entire case. The entire case is fabricated. link

they essentially had the defendant under observation but failed to get a warrant for a search. They said the reason for the traffic stop was "failure to use turn signal" and probable cause for search was "smelling marijuana." The video evidence contradicts that.

Rights violated:
4th ammendment (searches and seizures without warrant)
right to discovery (evidence regarding basis of stop fabricated)
perjury by witnesses in criminal case.

you can call it failing to "follow procedure." I call it illegal and undermining the criminal justice system.



there is only a black market because in some places (such as Illinois) it is not legal.

what you are saying is the equivalent of someone during prohibition saying, " I am an alcohol drinker. I support recreational, legal use, not black market alcohol trafficking." Its hypocritical because, at one point, it was illegal throughout the USA.

Where does it say the entire story is fabricated? They lied about the order of events. They searched the car w/o a warrant (Not following procedure). That's what caused the case to be dismissed. Again, they knew they had something, didn't follow proper procedure and lied to cover their ass. That does not equate to conspiracy. It equates to being stupid about their bust. The cops were tipped off by a narcotics agent and got too ahead of themselves. I've seen cops do this before with my father.

The "defendent" has priors and has already been convicted for drug trafficking. But i'm sure it was just those big, bad cops out to conspire against and plant drugs on a ****a, huh?

Did the cops **** up? of course they did. That doesn't absolve the guy or mean he was conspired against.

Casey Anthony wasn't convicted, but that doesn't mean that she's not a killer.

This guy got he case thrown out. That doesn't mean he's not selling drugs by the pound. He's been in jail several times before, and they'll get him again. Next time, they'll probably do it right.

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Where does it say the entire story is fabricated? They lied about the order of events. They searched the car w/o a warrant (Not following procedure).

They didnt just lie about the ORDER of events. They lied about EVENTS as I've made clear before. They didnt have a warrant. They faked probable cause for the search (smelling marijuana).

Originally Posted by Detoxing

That's what caused the case to be dismissed. Again, they knew they had something, didn't follow proper procedure and lied to cover their ass.

they is incorrect. They lied under oath, and it was proven wrong by video evidence AFTER they lied. It wasnt a "lie to cover their ass", they lied to fabricate the events that transpired (such as the legality of search due to probable cause).

Originally Posted by Detoxing

That does not equate to conspiracy.

when 5 officers say the same lie (as the judge accused) that is a conspiracy to commit a crime (perjury). The officers perjured themselves, and they may have conspired as a group to give false testimony in the case.

Originally Posted by Detoxing

The "defendent" has priors and has already been convicted for drug trafficking. But i'm sure it was just those big, bad cops out to conspire against and plant drugs on a ****a, huh?

I never said drugs were planted. I think you are ignorant of the meaning of the legal definition of "conspiracy."

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Did the cops **** up? of course they did. That doesn't absolve the guy or mean he was conspired against.

yes it does absolve the guy and it does mean he was conspired against. refrence fruit of the poisonous tree.

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Casey Anthony wasn't convicted, but that doesn't mean that she's not a killer.

legally she is not. morally is between her and God.

Originally Posted by Detoxing

This guy got he case thrown out. That doesn't mean he's not selling drugs by the pound. He's been in jail several times before, and they'll get him again. Next time, they'll probably do it right.

that may be. I would hope law enforcement authorities dont stoop to breaking the law to catch other law breakers.

Originally Posted by Detoxing

i want it legalized so we can take the money and power away from people like this defendant here.

I agree.

Originally Posted by Detoxing

You can call me hypocritical all you want, but there is a right and wrong way to do things. Just because the cops ****ed up and didn't do it the right way, that doesn't absolve this guy.

this is simple economics. Making things illegal just restricts supply, and black markets will work on meeting demand. That is the case with drugs, prostitution, piracy, etc. Putting the blame entirely on those meeting the demand is disingenous when its policies that are creating the problem.

Originally Posted by Dick Bull

Most people don't know much about the famed MLK speech where he plainly says "I have a dream to smoke a spliff on the mountain top."

so do you disagree with what MLK said? you and others fail to address the content of his words and instead dismiss it based on the author. Here it is below for further reference.

Originally Posted by Martin Luther King Jr.

A just law is a man made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

They didnt just lie about the ORDER of events. They lied about EVENTS as I've made clear before. They didnt have a warrant. They faked probable cause for the search (smelling marijuana).



they is incorrect. They lied under oath, and it was proven wrong by video evidence AFTER they lied. It wasnt a "lie to cover their ass", they lied to fabricate the events that transpired (such as the legality of search due to probable cause).



when 5 officers say the same lie (as the judge accused) that is a conspiracy to commit a crime (perjury). The officers perjured themselves, and they may have conspired as a group to give false testimony in the case.



I never said drugs were planted. I think you are ignorant of the meaning of the legal definition of "conspiracy."



yes it does absolve the guy and it does mean he was conspired against. refrence fruit of the poisonous tree.



legally she is not. morally is between her and God.




that may be. I would hope law enforcement authorities dont stoop to breaking the law to catch other law breakers.



I agree.



this is simple economics. Making things illegal just restricts supply, and black markets will work on meeting demand. That is the case with drugs, prostitution, piracy, etc. Putting the blame entirely on those meeting the demand is disingenous when its policies that are creating the problem.



so do you disagree with what MLK said? you and others fail to address the content of his words and instead dismiss it based on the author. Here it is below for further reference.

What is your point? What are you arguing about? That the cops ****ed up?

Ok, yes, i think we can all agree on that. The cops ****ed up and didn't abide by the law to bust their man. And....?

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

What is your point? What are you arguing about? That the cops ****ed up?

Ok, yes, i think we can all agree on that. The cops ****ed up and didn't abide by the law to bust their man. And....?

I was replying to all of your statements. There were some opinions I agreed with, while some of your statements were not accurate.

If you are having trouble understanding just read the quoted text (of your words) immediately followed by my reply to your quoted text.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

I would hope law enforcement authorities dont stoop to breaking the law to catch other law breakers.

I don't agree with this as a blanket statement. If the authorities know someone is a child molester, but can't prove it in a court of law. I don't give a shit if they fabricate evidence, lie on the stand, or do anything else to get that scumbag off of the streets.

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

I don't agree with this as a blanket statement. If the authorities know someone is a child molester, but can't prove it in a court of law. I don't give a shit if they fabricate evidence, lie on the stand, or do anything else to get that scumbag off of the streets.

slippery slope.

They once fabricated evidence, and lied on the stand to get the child molester off the street and I didnt give a shit.
They than fabricated evidence, and lied on the stand to get my friends and loved ones off the street and I didnt give a shit.
Than they came for me and there was no one left with shit to give.

It is the job of law enforcement to gather evidence, and the job of prosecutors to work toward conviction. I dont want a corrupted legal system where LEO act as the gatherer of evidence, judge, and executioner.

"protecting the children" has long been used as the excuse to give up liberty and freedom. Too many people have been wrongly convicted in the US (312 found by the innocence project alone)....lets not make that worse by condoning institutionalized corruption.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

they lied under oath about the entire case. The entire case is fabricated. link



what you are saying is the equivalent of someone during prohibition saying, " I am an alcohol drinker. I support recreational, legal use, not black market alcohol trafficking." Its hypocritical because, at one point, it was illegal throughout the USA.

There is a lot of illegal activity around trafficking that kind of quantity. We are trying to move towards one goal. A safe, legal, consumer driven MJ market. I grew up around this shit. My dad was a trafficker for weed, meth and Heroin. He would take me with him all the time because he thought the cops wouldn't go after him with a kid in the car. I'm very well aware that while weed itself isn't that bad, this kind of black market that deals in these quantaties is toxic for communities and it needs to go away.

I want MJ legalized not because i think MJ is some great cure for cancer, or because i want to smoke pot freely wherever...i want it legalized so we can take the money and power away from people like this defendant here.

You can call me hypocritical all you want, but there is a right and wrong way to do things. Just because the cops ****ed up and didn't do it the right way, that doesn't absolve this guy.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

There is a lot of illegal activity around trafficking that kind of quantity. We are trying to move towards one goal. A safe, legal, consumer driven MJ market. I grew up around this shit. My dad was a trafficker for weed, meth and Heroin. He would take me with him all the time because he thought the cops wouldn't go after him with a kid in the car. I'm very well aware that while weed itself isn't that bad, this kind of black market that deals in these quantaties is toxic for communities and it needs to go away.

I want MJ legalized not because i think MJ is some great cure for cancer, or because i want to smoke pot freely wherever...i want it legalized so we can take the money and power away from people like this defendant here.

Excellent post.