ZMA is the shit

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by Aspengc8

Just DL/SQ. Cant bench for another 6 months, just had 3 osteophytes removed from my left shoulders.

I'm sure 8 hours would be better, but I cant remember for the life of me the last time I had that much. Everyone is different antd what some people need to grow isnt the same as the next.

Then since you don't get 8, you can't say. I can tell you that when my sleep is top notch, training is too. However as a lifetime insomniac that isn't often.

[Aspengc8]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Then since you don't get 8, you can't say. I can tell you that when my sleep is top notch, training is too. However as a lifetime insomniac that isn't often.

But you still progress on your lifts as a insomniac, no?

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by Aspengc8

But you still progress on your lifts as a insomniac, no?

When my sleep is not going well, my training tends to be very up and down, sporadic. When I can get 10-14 days of great sleep in a row, it's off the charts every time.

Recovery happens at it's highest level when you sleep. So even if you have some decent training sessions on little sleep, you'd have even better ones on more sleep. If you can get 10+ hours in plus a nap, watch what happens.....

[Aspengc8]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

When my sleep is not going well, my training tends to be very up and down, sporadic. When I can get 10-14 days of great sleep in a row, it's off the charts every time.

Recovery happens at it's highest level when you sleep. So even if you have some decent training sessions on little sleep, you'd have even better ones on more sleep. If you can get 10+ hours in plus a nap, watch what happens.....

I'm going to try and sneak a lunchtime nap in @ work and see if it makes a difference.

Originally Posted by QuikSsurfer

Then I'm assuming you plateaued long ago and you saying you're still adding weights every week is horseshit. When seriously weight training, sleep is most important factor when building/rebuilding muscle.

both weights and bodyweight still going up so far. I'm sure it will plateau eventually though.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by Aspengc8

I'm going to try and sneak a lunchtime nap in @ work.

If I could I would. I just can't ever actually fall asleep. If I get a nap in on the weekends it's like someone gave me a new body in terms of recovery.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

If I could I would. I just can't ever actually fall asleep. If I get a nap in on the weekends it's like someone gave me a new body in terms of recovery.

I can't even imagine living like that. You must be aging at an unreal clip. Have you seen a sleep specialist?

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

I can't even imagine living like that. You must be aging at an unreal clip. Have you seen a sleep specialist?

When I was younger. I go through bouts where I am fine. Fall asleep on my own, sleep all night, etc. Then I'll have 1 night and it all starts from there.

I love sleep, I just can't seem to get as much of it as I want.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Then since you don't get 8, you can't say. I can tell you that when my sleep is top notch, training is too. However as a lifetime insomniac that isn't often.

We have a place where I live that specializes in making custom tintures. I had them make one for sleeping and it was like getting hit in the head with a baseball bat. You might want to try that if you are trying to stay on natural products. If you can't find a place that does cusom work like that I could refer you.

[QuikSsurfer]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Then since you don't get 8, you can't say. I can tell you that when my sleep is top notch, training is too. However as a lifetime insomniac that isn't often.

Yes sir.