Who is the worst player on the Chiefs?

[TimBone]

A post in another thread got me thinking about this today. We all know certain positions get more blame than others because they impact the team more. However, if you took away that factor, which Chiefs' player is the worst at doing his specific job?

I'll list the majority of the players that see a significant amount of playing time in a poll (gonna take a few minutes). If you do not see the player you believe to be the worst, please mention them in your post.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Pablo

Next year is gonna be so ****in worth it bro!

Yeah, it's all coming together whether you bitches like it or not. 2017, YEAR OF THE CHIEFS I tell you.

I'm glad they've finally got that all straightened out. I gotta say, it's been tiresome and confusing as hell trying to be there for THE YEAR OF THE CHIEFS. I guess the powers that be have'nt got that memo for several years now. Must be some kind of paperwork snafu between the front office, the GM, the coach, the players and of course us fans. I could have sworn theres been a few years that was supposed to be TYOTC. I probably just misunderstood the what all the team was trying to do.
So....just to clarify...THIS IS THE YEAR (2017) OF THE CHIEFS. Now does that mean the year they win the super bowl ? Or is it going to be like the other TYOTC ?

[Willie Lanier]

Knile Davis

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

It's a team game. We didn't lose all our games just because of Alex Smith. We can win the SB with him we just need to upgrade a as many of our weaknesses as we can.

Ware is clearly an average RB and nothing special. I'd say the same thing about our OL although they did improve this year. Our WRs aren't that great, Maclin had a horrible year and Hill is still learning. Kelce can get better as well. He can't keep his cool and he drops too many balls.

Our defense was good but there's room for improvement in that area too. They give up way too many yards and the pass rush is extremely inconsistent.

The playoff game was a show of all of this teams flaws and it goes way beyond Alex Smith.

I know it is hard for some of you to understand but the QB isn't the only position on the field. Alex will be back for at least one more year so Reid and Dorsey need to look to upgrade all areas and not just the QB.

I know it is hard for you to understand but I did not say we lost any games because of Smith. I said all these 'flawed' players won games 12 games despite him.

The quarterback is not the only player on the team, but he is far and away the most important, the most impactful. His reads influence what happens before the ball is even snapped, his decision making and execution is paramount on every single play, whether he's handing the ball off or keeping it himself to throw or to run. A good quarterback elevates the entire unit.

And that, that is exactly where Smith hurts the team the most. He doesn't throw receivers open, he doesn't feel or negotiate pressure in the pocket, he doesn't recognize open receivers, he doesn't attack defenses. Simply put he doesn't do anything to make anybody else on the offense a better player. If anything, he makes the unit worse. And that's why, although I would never label him the 'worst' player on the team, I do think the argument can be made that he has the greatest negative impact.

I actually believe that at least half the starting quarterbacks in the league right now could step behind center here using the exact same personnel and immediately help the unit perform at a higher level. And I don't just mean the top guys in the NFL.

Ditto for Andy Reid's playcalling, at least once we get past the first scripted drive of the game.

[mcaj22]

man people turned on Phillip Gaines so fast around here. He got a free pass for awhile and people hyped him but now it's like he's left for dead. It's interesting how majority opinion changes on this board once you see a guy get beat like a drum and replaced by a nobody who plays way better. All because of draft stock haha

[kccrow]

I said I'd post a reply to this so here goes...

Let's start with Andy Reid. Reid calls plays that get receivers open, and he gets them open deep. Let's quit acting like all Reid does is call some ultra-conservative game plan that only throws sideways passes. Watch some games and actually pay attention to where the receivers are running and if they are or aren't getting open on plays. If you think Andy Reid is the problem as an OC, you're doing nothing but creating an excuse for another problem. The only major problem I see in Andy Reid is clock management, and the other I'll get to soon enough.


Let's talk about guys that I feel deserve the list, and any one of them could have received my vote.

James O'Shaughnessy (TE) - This guy had 2 catches for -1 yards this season. He had 3 penalties for 21 yards, including 2 false starts. The guy was a negative yardage machine and this was his total production in 111 offensive snaps. Shags was okay on special teams, finishing 4th on the squad with 8 total tackles. Shags wasn't good, but he's got company at the TE position.

Charcandrick West (RB) - Let me put this out there, I expect NFL running backs to average 4.0 yards per carry or better. So far, that's not Charcandrick. West actually averaged 3.96 last season and he averaged 3.33 this season. That's not good enough. West looked better last season with an outstanding receiving average of 10.70, but that dipped to 6.71 this year. While 6.71 isn't terrible for a RB, its a sign that there was significant decline with West this year in all facets and his head is definitely on the chopping block. West's 358 offensive snaps this year (nearly 35%) are certainly reaching significant enough status to be considered pretty bad.

Knile Davis (RB) - A guy who nets 1.77 yards per carry is certainly terrible at his position. The Packers thought enough of him to trade for him, then cut him, and KC brought the guy back for ??? Davis' only claim to contributing in any meaningful way is as a special teams return man, where he averaged 21 yards per attempt (9 returns) this season for KC. Davis is other level terrible, but doesn't have the contributions to get my vote. He does, however, need to go.

Frank Zombo (OLB) - Let's not make this confusing, I've liked Zombo on special teams. Zombo didn't make the significant contribution in special teams tackles that he has in the past (<5 total tackles). Additionally, 1 sack in 490 defensive snaps (43.8%) is atrocious for any edge defender. For a guy that is supposed to excel on special teams and be a backup pass rusher, he sure didn't offer much in either area this season. The Chiefs could do much better here.

Demetrius Harris (TE) - This is a guy that frustrates me to no end, and maybe it's for good reason. My eyeball test shows me a guy that isn't a great blocker, so I expect him to contribute on special teams and as a receiver. Disappointing. First off, Harris doesn't contribute much on special teams. After that, you have to look at receiving. This is a guy that led the team in drops, tied with Kelce with 6. The difference is Kelce had 117 targets and Harris had 31. Harris also only had 17 receptions for a mind-blowing 123 yards (7.2 ypc) despite playing 459 offensive snaps (44.8%). For a guy playing nearly half-time on offense, he sure doesn't do much except drop the football far too often, not block well, and tie for 7th on the team in penalties with 4 this season. There is no reason for a guy like this to be on the roster, much less your #2 TE. While Zombo may just lead my worst on the defense, Harris is damn close to worst on offense and has a solid case for worst.

De'Anthony Thomas (WR) - Thomas averaged a whopping 5 yards per catch on 7 receptions, evidence of his incredible game-breaking explosive traits he was so lauded for as a draft prospect. He was only used on about 8% of offensive snaps this season, and its easy to see why. His only meaningful contribution was a 22.5 ypr average on 15 kick returns. He never sniffed a punt return this season. This is hardly a guy you have to keep around.

Tamba Hali (OLB) - Never thought I'd talk about Hali on this type of list, but he wasn't overly effective this season. I shouldn't put him on this list because he was better than Zombo at at least setting the edge, but after essentially splitting time with Zombo this year, his stats aside from sacks were worse. Hali had 100 more snaps and 10 less tackles than Zombo, but only 2.5 more sacks. The combination of Zombo and Hali is a big reason KC's pass rush wasn't what it's been in recent memory. It may be time for a great Chief to hang them up.

Alex Smith (QB) - And so we must talk about Alex. No other position or player on a team has more effect on the overall team than QB, and there is much to like and despise about the Chiefs' signal caller. Let's start with the good. Alex Smith takes care of the football really, really well. He had only 12 total turnovers during the season. Smith throws for an incredibly high completion percentage, and did so again this season at 67.1%. Smith has a respectable, but middle of the road, 7.2 ypa as well. Those things are good, those things win football games. But stats don't tell the entire story. Those stats also support a QB who is infuriatingly conservative, and it costs his football team points on the scoreboard. While KC was top half of the league in total scoring, they lost about 4 points per game if you take away special teams and defensive scores, significantly dropping their rank into the mid-20's. The Chiefs' redzone TD percent was 26th in the NFL. These types of things really reflect a QB and his decision to take shots. Either way, let's carry on. Smith threw 15 TDs this year. Yes, that is as many as Brock Osweiler and less than two rookies (Wentz [16] and Prescott [23]), Trevor Siemian (18), and Colin Kaepernick (16). For as much as the Planet rips some of these guys, Smith didn't perform any better. Smith finished 22nd in the NFL in yards, 20th in first downs, and 21st in 20+ yard throws. What's worse than these numbers, is the fact that you watch Smith leave points on the board and plays on the field ever week by the truck load. Fans scream about Andy Reid calling sideways plays, yet Alex isn't seeing nor throwing the wide open deep shots with any regularity. If there are 10 there a game, Alex might hit one. And they are there, watch the tape. Smith has an incredibly talented supporting cast right now. It is more than evident. This is a team that should be throwing for 270 yards per game because the plays and the talent are there. Instead, we have a 23rd ranked 233. The Chiefs also boast a respectable pass blocking offensive line. Smith was sacked 28 times, behind 18 other QBs. However, Smith runs away from phantom pressure, leading to bad decisions and missed opportunities. Smith was 15th in the NFL in "bad pass percentage at 15.5%" If missed pass percentage was a tracked stat by anyone, well we'd have even more to talk about. Alex limits this offense and this team more than any other player, and that is a bigger detriment than any other piece in my opinion. Smith is bad, as a whole, at his job. The issue is he's bad at the most important job. When rookies outplay a veteran of 12 years, then there is a problem. In today's NFL, you can't have a QB who's best statistical output of his career is 23 TDs and 3,500 yards. Those were stats Joe Montana put up 30 years ago when defenses were allowed to do anything but kill you (and even that may have been legal). The four Conference Championship QBs this year all averaged over 270 yards per start. All had 28+ TDs.

So here's what my decision came down to...

We know that James O'Shaughnessy is a #3/4 TE on this roster and Harris is a #2. While both can be upgraded, it's not like they were the best or first option. Same goes for West and Davis. Thomas is basically the #5 receiver, so I'm not sure what to want there and I'm not going to cry too much. From this group I don't think the overall contributions, or lack thereof, affected the team so gravely that they couldn't be overcome.

We know that Tamba Hali is on his way out. He was great, but father time has caught up. I never expected Hali to have a great season and thought he should have retired last season. I think he should retire this season. If he doesn't, I don't expect more than passing contributions in run defense and little as a pass rusher. While Hali wasn't good, he wasn't so terrible I'd consider him the worst ever. Zombo split time with Hali, and he's a guy I've always seen as primarily a rotational guy to spell your top players and a special teamer. He's not on this roster to be a starter and he proved he isn't that type of material. Justin Houston's injury status really made Zombo a bigger deal than he ever should have been. Zombo is the closest I could come to, other than Alex, voting for worst.

Alex got my vote. There are players that are bad on this team. Most of those guys are at the bottom of the roster. Dorsey turns that bottom 15-20% over every offseason. I'm not overly concerned with what they did to affect the team. When I think of "worst Chief," I think of who made the biggest negative impact on this team, or who held them back the most. I think that vote has to go to Alex. It's not because I hate Alex Smith, it's because he isn't enough and he inhibits an otherwise well-rounded and talented roster.

I know the apologists will not agree with me, and that is fine. There are certainly other players worthy of the vote.

I'll also say who I didn't consider.

Phillip Gaines (CB) - Certainly worthy of the best at sitting in the hot-tub award, but far and away not a bad football player when he is on the field. Outside of Peters and Mitchell, he was easily KC's 3rd best CB. That said, you can't play from the tub, so I get people's contempt.

Albert Wilson (WR) - Wilson certainly frustrates me and I think he doesn't do enough to go and get the football at times. He has a bit of the alligator arms. That doesn't make him the worst player on the team, nor anywhere close. For the team's 4th wideout, he was productive. I don't think you spend an RFA tag on him, but he's a guy I could easily see the Chiefs signing to a short-term deal to bring back in the fold at a lesser price. He's also a guy who could be replaced and I wouldn't lose sleep over it. Let's just say he's not as bad as many on this list.

Some other guys I think are bad but really didn't have that much of a contribution to the team...

Jah Reid (OT) - Reid isn't good, he's barely even passable. He's a backup that only contributed 100 offensive snaps and didn't give up a sack. I think he's replaceable, and should be, but he's not so bad you blame the season on him or anything.

Kenneth Acker (CB) - The Chiefs traded a draft pick for this guy and really got nothing major in return. Not much in terms of special teams and not much defensively. This guy more or less replaced KeiVarae Russell on the team, and I'd say he was an improvement. As a 5th/6th CB, he wasn't terrible and he wasn't good. Not much to say about him really.

Then there is that one guy... Jeremy Maclin (WR)... So Maclin had a down year, it happens. Maclin didn't play well, was knicked up all season, and certainly didn't earn his salary. Neither did Houston, so it's whatever. That doesn't make him bad. Maclin is a leader, and when he's healthy he's good. I'll leave it at that, because the rest has to do with the guy that got my vote.

So there's my synopsis, and what you probably expected.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I said I'd post a reply to this so here goes...

Let's start with Andy Reid. Reid calls plays that get receivers open, and he gets them open deep. Let's quit acting like all Reid does is call some ultra-conservative game plan that only throws sideways passes. Watch some games and actually pay attention to where the receivers are running and if they are or aren't getting open on plays. If you think Andy Reid is the problem as an OC, you're doing nothing but creating an excuse for another problem. The only major problem I see in Andy Reid is clock management, and the other I'll get to soon enough.


Let's talk about guys that I feel deserve the list, and any one of them could have received my vote.

James O'Shaughnessy (TE) - This guy had 2 catches for -1 yards this season. He had 3 penalties for 21 yards, including 2 false starts. The guy was a negative yardage machine and this was his total production in 111 offensive snaps. Shags was okay on special teams, finishing 4th on the squad with 8 total tackles. Shags wasn't good, but he's got company at the TE position.

Charcandrick West (RB) - Let me put this out there, I expect NFL running backs to average 4.0 yards per carry or better. So far, that's not Charcandrick. West actually averaged 3.96 last season and he averaged 3.33 this season. That's not good enough. West looked better last season with an outstanding receiving average of 10.70, but that dipped to 6.71 this year. While 6.71 isn't terrible for a RB, its a sign that there was significant decline with West this year in all facets and his head is definitely on the chopping block. West's 358 offensive snaps this year (nearly 35%) are certainly reaching significant enough status to be considered pretty bad.

Knile Davis (RB) - A guy who nets 1.77 yards per carry is certainly terrible at his position. The Packers thought enough of him to trade for him, then cut him, and KC brought the guy back for ??? Davis' only claim to contributing in any meaningful way is as a special teams return man, where he averaged 21 yards per attempt (9 returns) this season for KC. Davis is other level terrible, but doesn't have the contributions to get my vote. He does, however, need to go.

Frank Zombo (OLB) - Let's not make this confusing, I've liked Zombo on special teams. Zombo didn't make the significant contribution in special teams tackles that he has in the past (<5 total tackles). Additionally, 1 sack in 490 defensive snaps (43.8%) is atrocious for any edge defender. For a guy that is supposed to excel on special teams and be a backup pass rusher, he sure didn't offer much in either area this season. The Chiefs could do much better here.

Demetrius Harris (TE) - This is a guy that frustrates me to no end, and maybe it's for good reason. My eyeball test shows me a guy that isn't a great blocker, so I expect him to contribute on special teams and as a receiver. Disappointing. First off, Harris doesn't contribute much on special teams. After that, you have to look at receiving. This is a guy that led the team in drops, tied with Kelce with 6. The difference is Kelce had 117 targets and Harris had 31. Harris also only had 17 receptions for a mind-blowing 123 yards (7.2 ypc) despite playing 459 offensive snaps (44.8%). For a guy playing nearly half-time on offense, he sure doesn't do much except drop the football far too often, not block well, and tie for 7th on the team in penalties with 4 this season. There is no reason for a guy like this to be on the roster, much less your #2 TE. While Zombo may just lead my worst on the defense, Harris is damn close to worst on offense and has a solid case for worst.

De'Anthony Thomas (WR) - Thomas averaged a whopping 5 yards per catch on 7 receptions, evidence of his incredible game-breaking explosive traits he was so lauded for as a draft prospect. He was only used on about 8% of offensive snaps this season, and its easy to see why. His only meaningful contribution was a 22.5 ypr average on 15 kick returns. He never sniffed a punt return this season. This is hardly a guy you have to keep around.

Tamba Hali (OLB) - Never thought I'd talk about Hali on this type of list, but he wasn't overly effective this season. I shouldn't put him on this list because he was better than Zombo at at least setting the edge, but after essentially splitting time with Zombo this year, his stats aside from sacks were worse. Hali had 100 more snaps and 10 less tackles than Zombo, but only 2.5 more sacks. The combination of Zombo and Hali is a big reason KC's pass rush wasn't what it's been in recent memory. It may be time for a great Chief to hang them up.

Alex Smith (QB) - And so we must talk about Alex. No other position or player on a team has more effect on the overall team than QB, and there is much to like and despise about the Chiefs' signal caller. Let's start with the good. Alex Smith takes care of the football really, really well. He had only 12 total turnovers during the season. Smith throws for an incredibly high completion percentage, and did so again this season at 67.1%. Smith has a respectable, but middle of the road, 7.2 ypa as well. Those things are good, those things win football games. But stats don't tell the entire story. Those stats also support a QB who is infuriatingly conservative, and it costs his football team points on the scoreboard. While KC was top half of the league in total scoring, they lost about 4 points per game if you take away special teams and defensive scores, significantly dropping their rank into the mid-20's. The Chiefs' redzone TD percent was 26th in the NFL. These types of things really reflect a QB and his decision to take shots. Either way, let's carry on. Smith threw 15 TDs this year. Yes, that is as many as Brock Osweiler and less than two rookies (Wentz [16] and Prescott [23]), Trevor Siemian (18), and Colin Kaepernick (16). For as much as the Planet rips some of these guys, Smith didn't perform any better. Smith finished 22nd in the NFL in yards, 20th in first downs, and 21st in 20+ yard throws. What's worse than these numbers, is the fact that you watch Smith leave points on the board and plays on the field ever week by the truck load. Fans scream about Andy Reid calling sideways plays, yet Alex isn't seeing nor throwing the wide open deep shots with any regularity. If there are 10 there a game, Alex might hit one. And they are there, watch the tape. Smith has an incredibly talented supporting cast right now. It is more than evident. This is a team that should be throwing for 270 yards per game because the plays and the talent are there. Instead, we have a 23rd ranked 233. The Chiefs also boast a respectable pass blocking offensive line. Smith was sacked 28 times, behind 18 other QBs. However, Smith runs away from phantom pressure, leading to bad decisions and missed opportunities. Smith was 15th in the NFL in "bad pass percentage at 15.5%" If missed pass percentage was a tracked stat by anyone, well we'd have even more to talk about. Alex limits this offense and this team more than any other player, and that is a bigger detriment than any other piece in my opinion. Smith is bad, as a whole, at his job. The issue is he's bad at the most important job. When rookies outplay a veteran of 12 years, then there is a problem. In today's NFL, you can't have a QB who's best statistical output of his career is 23 TDs and 3,500 yards. Those were stats Joe Montana put up 30 years ago when defenses were allowed to do anything but kill you (and even that may have been legal). The four Conference Championship QBs this year all averaged over 270 yards per start. All had 28+ TDs.

So here's what my decision came down to...

We know that James O'Shaughnessy is a #3/4 TE on this roster and Harris is a #2. While both can be upgraded, it's not like they were the best or first option. Same goes for West and Davis. Thomas is basically the #5 receiver, so I'm not sure what to want there and I'm not going to cry too much. From this group I don't think the overall contributions, or lack thereof, affected the team so gravely that they couldn't be overcome.

We know that Tamba Hali is on his way out. He was great, but father time has caught up. I never expected Hali to have a great season and thought he should have retired last season. I think he should retire this season. If he doesn't, I don't expect more than passing contributions in run defense and little as a pass rusher. While Hali wasn't good, he wasn't so terrible I'd consider him the worst ever. Zombo split time with Hali, and he's a guy I've always seen as primarily a rotational guy to spell your top players and a special teamer. He's not on this roster to be a starter and he proved he isn't that type of material. Justin Houston's injury status really made Zombo a bigger deal than he ever should have been. Zombo is the closest I could come to, other than Alex, voting for worst.

Alex got my vote. There are players that are bad on this team. Most of those guys are at the bottom of the roster. Dorsey turns that bottom 15-20% over every offseason. I'm not overly concerned with what they did to affect the team. When I think of "worst Chief," I think of who made the biggest negative impact on this team, or who held them back the most. I think that vote has to go to Alex. It's not because I hate Alex Smith, it's because he isn't enough and he inhibits an otherwise well-rounded and talented roster.

I know the apologists will not agree with me, and that is fine. There are certainly other players worthy of the vote.

I'll also say who I didn't consider.

Phillip Gaines (CB) - Certainly worthy of the best at sitting in the hot-tub award, but far and away not a bad football player when he is on the field. Outside of Peters and Mitchell, he was easily KC's 3rd best CB. That said, you can't play from the tub, so I get people's contempt.

Albert Wilson (WR) - Wilson certainly frustrates me and I think he doesn't do enough to go and get the football at times. He has a bit of the alligator arms. That doesn't make him the worst player on the team, nor anywhere close. For the team's 4th wideout, he was productive. I don't think you spend an RFA tag on him, but he's a guy I could easily see the Chiefs signing to a short-term deal to bring back in the fold at a lesser price. He's also a guy who could be replaced and I wouldn't lose sleep over it. Let's just say he's not as bad as many on this list.

Some other guys I think are bad but really didn't have that much of a contribution to the team...

Jah Reid (OT) - Reid isn't good, he's barely even passable. He's a backup that only contributed 100 offensive snaps and didn't give up a sack. I think he's replaceable, and should be, but he's not so bad you blame the season on him or anything.

Kenneth Acker (CB) - The Chiefs traded a draft pick for this guy and really got nothing major in return. Not much in terms of special teams and not much defensively. This guy more or less replaced KeiVarae Russell on the team, and I'd say he was an improvement. As a 5th/6th CB, he wasn't terrible and he wasn't good. Not much to say about him really.

Then there is that one guy... Jeremy Maclin (WR)... So Maclin had a down year, it happens. Maclin didn't play well, was knicked up all season, and certainly didn't earn his salary. Neither did Houston, so it's whatever. That doesn't make him bad. Maclin is a leader, and when he's healthy he's good. I'll leave it at that, because the rest has to do with the guy that got my vote.

So there's my synopsis, and what you probably expected.

This is a good writeup, and your points are valid, but once again this poll didn't ask which player has the biggest negative impact, it asked who is the worst player. You are answering a question that was not asked and not answering the question posed. You clearly, like all the others who have done this, have an agenda here.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by splatbass

This is a good writeup, and your points are valid, but once again this poll didn't ask which player has the biggest negative impact, it asked who is the worst player. You are answering a question that was not asked and not answering the question posed. You clearly, like all the others who have done this, have an agenda here.

The "agenda" is called getting to the next level. One piece in particular is preventing that. Sorry you can't see it.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Dagnabit

The "agenda" is called getting to the next level. One piece in particular is preventing that. Sorry you can't see it.

When you can't answer a simple question - that really has nothing to do with Alex Smith because he is clearly not the worst player on the team - without trying to rig it to push your agenda then you have already lost.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by splatbass

This is a good writeup, and your points are valid, but once again this poll didn't ask which player has the biggest negative impact, it asked who is the worst player. You are answering a question that was not asked and not answering the question posed. You clearly, like all the others who have done this, have an agenda here.

There is no context to the question splat. It is a purely subjective question. Who is the worst player? That is not a pointed question. Who in what regard? Who is the worst at their position? I could answer that, and pretty much did that, but could elaborate further. There is no "worst" in football from an absolute perspective. If by "worst" you mean the one that hurts the team the most, then I answered the question. So get off your high ****ing horse.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by splatbass

When you can't answer a simple question - that really has nothing to do with Alex Smith because he is clearly not the worst player on the team - without trying to rig it to push your agenda then you have already lost.

My opinion is that Alex is worse at doing his job than any other player on the team is at doing theirs. No other starter does less for this football team. The rest are primarily special teams guys that do that pretty well given the special teams performance. Is that better for you? Can you comprehend that?

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by kccrow

There is no context to the question splat. It is a purely subjective question. Who is the worst player? That is not a pointed question. Who in what regard? Who is the worst at their position? I could answer that, and pretty much did that, but could elaborate further. There is no "worst" in football from an absolute perspective. If by "worst" you mean the one that hurts the team the most, then I answered the question. So get off your high ****ing horse.

It is clear and simple. The worst player is obviously one of the marginal JAGs that barely play because they suck. A starter by definition isn't even the worst player at his position, much less on the whole team. Alex Smith isn't even the worst QB on the team, so your point is not valid at all.

Any attempts to spin this to make Alex Smith the worst player is disingenuous at best.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by splatbass

It is clear and simple. The worst player is obviously one of the marginal JAGs that barely play because they suck. A starter by definition isn't even the worst player at his position, much less on the whole team. Alex Smith isn't even the worst QB on the team, so your point is not valid at all.

Any attempts to spin this to make Alex Smith the worst player is disingenuous at best.

Nick Foles played just as well as Alex Smith in his limited opportunity. So elaborate how Smith is better.

[kccrow]

In fact, if you want to extrapolate Foles' 1.5 games worth of work, that would equate to 4,373 yards and 32 TDs over 16 games. Should we continue looking deeper?

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Nick Foles played just as well as Alex Smith in his limited opportunity. So elaborate how Smith is better.

If Nick Foles was better he would be starting. If Tyler Bray was better he would be starting. This isn't the Pioli regime, Reid will start the QB that gives him the best chance to win.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by splatbass

This isn't the Pioli regime, Reid will start the QB that gives him the best chance to win.

Zero evidence suggests this. Nada.