Chiefs Bob Sutton Fired - Page 15

MAG · 01-22-2019, 01:45 PM

This is not a drill.
https://www.chiefs.com/news/bob-sutt...dinator-duties

DJ's left nut · 01-22-2019, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Ok,

lets just assume we did exactly what you said.

KPass and Speaks, ok... Maybe DE is their natural position, but neither of them have speed. Houston moving from standing up to hand in the dirt MIGHT work.

Jones great! Nnadi not sure of, but let assume you can fix this by signing David Irving (sketchy at best)

Now you are going to put Hitchens and DoD in space, which one exactly is going to attack the LoS?

Making moves like this isn't just so simple.........

Hitchens was very good in a 4-3 and DoD is a BORN modern day Sam linebacker, IMO. And frankly, Ford can absolutely succeed as a Will given his first step quickness and development as an edge over the years.

Not all major shakeups are simple, no. This one, OTOH, is. This team is absolutely well suited to make a 4-3 transition.

At least it had better be because if Veach brought K-Pass and Speaks in here expecting them to play in a 3-4 long-term, we're in trouble. That suggests that the guy simply doesn't know what he's looking for in a defensive player. However, if he brought those 2 in (and later DoD) with an eye on a long-term shift in base fronts...well I'll give him a pass.

**Perineum Ripper** · 01-22-2019, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed

You are wrong, but you don't have to **** off.

Ah ok, I thought I had read somewhere that DE in 4-3 had the main job of setting the edges. Guess I will go read more about it then.

**The Franchise** · 01-22-2019, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Charvarious Ward also made the claim that the defense was complicated.

I think it was more along the lines of "Bob Sutton doesn't play young players when he should".

Sassy Squatch · 01-22-2019, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pest

I think it was more along the lines of "Bob Sutton doesn't play young players when he should".

“I got here late after the four preseason games,” Ward said. “I just had to catch-up with the playbook. I’ve been learning the playbook all season. The playbook is kind of difficult. That’s really why I haven’t been playing. But I know it now, so I’m out there. I’ve just got to get better, help this team win.”

**RealSNR** · 01-22-2019, 05:00 PM

A 4-3 switch might make the Hitchens contract halfway salvageable.

If we stick with the 3-4, I’m afraid he’s just going to be another guy that we have to count down the years until we can cut him and have the savings outweigh the dead money

BleedingRed · 01-22-2019, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mac459

Ah ok, I thought I had read somewhere that DE in 4-3 had the main job of setting the edges. Guess I will go read more about it then.

On running downs you would be correct. But a DE's primary job in a 4-3 is rushing the passer.

**007** · 01-22-2019, 05:02 PM

I'm not celebrating much until we see the new hire. If it's a non attacking DC then we haven't gained anything.

BleedingRed · 01-22-2019, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

A 4-3 switch might make the Hitchens contract halfway salvageable.

If we stick with the 3-4, I’m afraid he’s just going to be another guy that we have to count down the years until we can cut him and have the savings outweigh the dead money

I think he is still salvageable in a 3-4, he just needs to be #2

DJ's left nut · 01-22-2019, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Charvarious Ward also made the claim that the defense was complicated.

No, he said he wasn't playing because he needed time to learn the system.

So what you're saying is that a UDFA from Middle-Tennessee State couldn't be dropped onto an NFL field on day 1 and play as a starter?

Stunner.

Ward wasn't ready to play because of COURSE he wasn't ready to play. Most 1st rounders aren't quite ready for that transition at CB, let alone UDFA's who played at FCS schools. Don't you think you're reading a little too much into how that went down? It would have been something of a miracle for the guy to contribute in the first 6-8 weeks. Hell, we should consider ourselves pretty damn fortunate he came around by the time he did - it's no easy feat for an undrafted, small college player to transition to this level.

**RealSNR** · 01-22-2019, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I think he is still salvageable in a 3-4, he just needs to be #2

Like, as in DEPTH? Or as in he should be a 2 down guy?

DJ's left nut · 01-22-2019, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

“I got here late after the four preseason games,” Ward said. “I just had to catch-up with the playbook. I’ve been learning the playbook all season. The playbook is kind of difficult. That’s really why I haven’t been playing. But I know it now, so I’m out there. I’ve just got to get better, help this team win.”

Oh. That's right.

A UDFA from an FCS school who MISSED CAMP.

C'mon man, how the hell quickly do you think he's going to absorb anything? Of course he was learning the playbook all season - it's hard to get a guy like that anything more than mental reps. And any NFL coverage system is going to seem difficult when you're coming from low level college ball.

Again - if being a backup for 14 weeks with limited practice reps after he didn't even attend camp here got him to where he 'knows it now', it just ain't that complicated.

**Perineum Ripper** · 01-22-2019, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed

On running downs you would be correct. But a DE's primary job in a 4-3 is rushing the passer.

Ah makes sense, appreciate it.

BleedingRed · 01-22-2019, 05:06 PM

Look I'm just saying it took the Cowboys YEARS before they had a half way decent 4-3. Years of hitting on draft prospect AFTER DRAFT PROSPECT.

- Randy Gregory
- Leighton Vander Esch
- Jaylon Smith
- Demarcus Lawrence
- Maliek Collins

**The Franchise** · 01-22-2019, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Like, as in DEPTH? Or as in he should be a 2 down guy?

Well...this is the guy who said that in Dallas....all Hitchens did was play clean up and never attacked the LOS.

**The Franchise** · 01-22-2019, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Look I'm just saying it took the Cowboys YEARS before they had a half way decent 4-3. Years of hitting on draft prospect AFTER DRAFT PROSPECT.

- Randy Gregory
- Leighton Vander Esch
- Jaylon Smith
- Demarcus Lawrence
- Maliek Collins

Maybe because their old, alcoholic GM is the one making the picks. Think that might have something to do with it?

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