*** OFFICIAL -SUNFLOWER SHOWDOWN- KSU vs. KU GAME THREAD***

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by CJizzles

Says the guy who said I said Doc Sadler was a great hire.

Your word is about as good as Nick Athan's.

Keep fighting the good fight, lil' fella.

Haha! I could find many posts on this site from KU fans ready to sculpt a Doc Sadler statue because his teams "played close" in AFH.

"Just wait until he gets his players in there".

Those were memorable times my friends.

[Ceej]

Originally Posted by WilliamInnerCircle

Haha! I could find many posts on this site from KU fans ready to sculpt a Doc Sadler statue because his teams "played close" in AFH.

"Just wait until he gets his players in there".

Those were memorable times my friends.

I, sir, was never one of them.

Never called him a great hire, but don't think he was a terrible one either.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by WilliamInnerCircle

Haha! I could find many posts on this site from KU fans ready to sculpt a Doc Sadler statue because his teams "played close" in AFH.

"Just wait until he gets his players in there".

Those were memorable times my friends.

Doc was years ahead of the trend in understanding how to play and beat KU which most B12 coaches have adapted over the last two years (slow and with as few possessions as possible). He never got himself an upset because of lack of talent, but it certainly wasn't for a lack of trying. Perhaps if he was lucky enough to face this particular version of the team, he would have gotten himself his own TCU victory.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Doc was years ahead of the trend in understanding how to play and beat KU which most B12 coaches have adapted over the last two years (slow and with as few possessions as possible). He never got himself an upset because of lack of talent, but it certainly wasn't for a lack of trying. Perhaps if he was lucky enough to face this particular version of the team, he would have gotten himself his own TCU victory.

I don't think Doc was ahead of any curve. He played it like Wooly played it. And Wooly had an AFH victory in 2005. But as soon as Doc got his "moral loss/victory" by playing them close he was hailed as a genius."He's a better coach than Rick Barnes". (That was also a great talking point)

Weber has also gotten a ton of the same credit that Doc got in those early seasons at NUbb. "He's got them competing" and Weber has them "running that motion offense" lauding him as some great coach.

Right now Weber has this team about where Frank would have it imo. The real question will be in the next two seasons when all these seniors are gone. I think Weber will be a huge failure because he recruits like shit. Just like Doc. Doc was great for one season at UTEP with Billy G's team. He parlayed that into a deal with NUbb. And fell flat on his face. Never finished better than .500 in league.

Doc Sadler was a poor coach and worse recruiter.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by WilliamInnerCircle

I don't think Doc was ahead of any curve.

He knew how to get his shitty teams playing competitive games against vastly superior teams which is more you can say for most of the shitty teams in the B12 over the last decade.

"He's a better coach than Rick Barnes". (That was also a great talking point)

I don't know about worse than Doc Sadler, but Rick Barnes has to be one of the most underachieving coaches in the game considering the major talent he's had to work with in Texas. And this year we're seeing what a Texas team coached by him is like without the same talent level as usual.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

He knew how to get his shitty teams playing competitive games against vastly superior teams which is more you can say for most of the shitty teams in the B12 over the last decade.


I don't know about worse than Doc Sadler, but Rick Barnes has to be one of the most underachieving coaches in the game considering the major talent he's had to work with in Texas. And this year we're seeing what a Texas team coached by him is like without the same talent level as usual.

If playing competetive games is your goal, then I guess I could agree. But McNeck at ISU played competetive games at ISU when he was there. And Bdzexcvelic at CU played several "competetive game" against teams when he was there.

Is Rick Barnes underachieving? He's a reached a FF. Been to the tournament every year. Recruited like crazy - which is part of the job - at a true "Football" first university and been successful. His teams have flamed out in the 2nd round, but that can be attributed to the nature of the tourney.

And this year, Barnes got his lower talent team to nearly sneak away a victory against Kansas, no? But he doesn't get the same talking point respect as Doc?

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by WilliamInnerCircle

If playing competetive games is your goal, then I guess I could agree. But McNeck at ISU played competetive games at ISU when he was there. And Bdzexcvelic at CU played several "competetive game" against teams when he was there.

Is Rick Barnes underachieving? He's a reached a FF. Been to the tournament every year. Recruited like crazy - which is part of the job - at a true "Football" first university and been successful. His teams have flamed out in the 2nd round, but that can be attributed to the nature of the tourney.

And this year, Barnes got his lower talent team to nearly sneak away a victory against Kansas, no? But he doesn't get the same talking point respect as Doc?

Barnes won't be in the tournament this year.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Barnes won't be in the tournament this year.

That's true. But was he competetive?