****Official **** You Mike Mayock Thread****

[Messier]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

There are people here that think we should TRADE for Kolb.

That being said, Matt Moore turned out to be the best QB in that class and went undrafted.

Another example of the failure of NFL front offices to correctly identify talent.

Kolb was the most valuable, to which I credit Reid.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Messier

Kolb was the most valuable, to which I credit Reid.

Credit Reid for what?

He drafted the guy and then thought so much of him that he shipped him out for picks.

I'd give Reid A LOT more credit if Kolb was the starter in Philly. Of course, if that were the case, Reid would still be coaching there.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Credit Reid for what?

He drafted the guy and then thought so much of him that he shipped him out for picks.

I'd give Reid A LOT more credit if Kolb was the starter in Philly. Of course, if that were the case, Reid would still be coaching there.

Credit him for exactly what you just brought up you idiot. Kolb was the most valuable QB in the class, the only one anyone thought was worth anything. I can't help you if you don't see Reid has got a way with QBs.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Messier

Credit him for exactly what you just brought up you idiot. Kolb was the most valuable QB in the class, the only one anyone thought was worth anything. I can't help you if you don't see Reid has got a way with QBs.

And where did he get the QB that he got the most out of?

[Messier]

Originally Posted by O.city

And where did he get the QB that he got the most out of?

1st round, surrounded by busts at the same position. Reid got it right.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Messier

1st round, surrounded by busts at the same position. Reid got it right.

Yes he did.

But outside of that 1 time, what else has he done?

I think Reid is a GREAT coach, I really do.

But this idea that he's a QB "guru" is extremely overblown.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yes he did.

But outside of that 1 time, what else has he done?

I think Reid is a GREAT coach, I really do.

But this idea that he's a QB "guru" is extremely overblown.

Andy also identified Kevin Kolb as the only decent guy from 2007, if that matters.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Messier

Credit him for exactly what you just brought up you idiot. Kolb was the most valuable QB in the class, the only one anyone thought was worth anything. I can't help you if you don't see Reid has got a way with QBs.

So we're not worried about Reid actually finding a QB that can PLAY?

BTW, Matt Moore was the best QB in that class, so Reid reached on Kolb by quite a large margin. At least he was able to put together the smoke and mirrors and convince the Cardinals Kolb was worth something, even though Reid himself knew he wasn't.

As for Reid's way with QBs, name them. Outside of Donovan McNabb, who was the #2 overall pick (and a GREAT pick by Reid, btw. He identified the best QB in THAT class by a mile), what QB "magic" has Reid actually performed?

[Messier]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

So we're not worried about Reid actually finding a QB that can PLAY?

BTW, Matt Moore was the best QB in that class, so Reid reached on Kolb by quite a large margin. At least he was able to put together the smoke and mirrors and convince the Cardinals Kolb was worth something, even though Reid himself knew he wasn't.

As for Reid's way with QBs, name them. Outside of Donovan McNabb, who was the #2 overall pick (and a GREAT pick by Reid, btw. He identified the best QB in THAT class by a mile), what QB "magic" has Reid actually performed?

I thought Vick was done, no chance of getting back to what he was. Other than that, he got something for backups. And there wasn't a year he had no QB. It'll be nice to have the coach that grooms the backups that team are willing to trade for.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Messier

I thought Vick was done, no chance of getting back to what he was. Other than that, he got something for backups. And there wasn't a year he had no QB. It'll be nice to have the coach that grooms the backups that team are willing to trade for.

I'd rather have a coach that can find THE QB and win a championship with him.

I'm looking for 2002 Andy Reid, not 2010 Andy Reid. Not appealing at all.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'd rather have a coach that can find THE QB and win a championship with him.

I'm looking for 2002 Andy Reid, not 2010 Andy Reid. Not appealing at all.

I'm looking for that sure fire super bowl coach too. I wonder who it is? Oh well, I'll take the best QB coach available by a wide margin and take my chances. Who'd you want?

[Messier]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

So we're not worried about Reid actually finding a QB that can PLAY?

BTW, Matt Moore was the best QB in that class, so Reid reached on Kolb by quite a large margin. At least he was able to put together the smoke and mirrors and convince the Cardinals Kolb was worth something, even though Reid himself knew he wasn't.

As for Reid's way with QBs, name them. Outside of Donovan McNabb, who was the #2 overall pick (and a GREAT pick by Reid, btw. He identified the best QB in THAT class by a mile), what QB "magic" has Reid actually performed?

By the way, Kolb is still the best QB AZ has, and was playing well before he got hurt last year. Moore might be better, but they're in the same ballpark.

If you're gonna try to argue Reid isn't as good with QBs as people think, you're gonna fail.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Messier

By the way, Kolb is still the best QB AZ has, and was playing well before he got hurt last year. Moore might be better, but they're in the same ballpark.

If you're gonna try to argue Reid isn't as good with QBs as people think, you're gonna fail.

I mean, not really.


Like he said, outside of McNabb, it hasn't been his development, it's been the player themselves.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by O.city

I mean, not really.


Like he said, outside of McNabb, it hasn't been his development, it's been the player themselves.

I guess I see the rebirth of Vick into a better version of his earlier self as a coaching job. And how many years did he coach without McNabb, three? And he turned two backups in to nice trades. Reid has done well with QBs. And knows the position better than any coach the Chiefs have ever had.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Messier

If you're gonna try to argue Reid isn't as good with QBs as people think, you're gonna fail.

Who are "people"?

There are people here that think that Reid is one of the top 2 or 3 QB minds in the entire NFL, which is absolutely false.