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**Tribal Warfare** · 03-17-2014, 05:14 PM

Scientists find cosmic ripples from birth of universe

Published March 17, 2014

Astronomers have discovered what they believe is the first direct evidence of the astonishing expansion of the universe in the instant following the Big Bang -- the scientific explanation for the birth of the universe some 13.8 billion years ago.

Scientists believe that the universe exploded from a tiny speck and hurled itself out in all directions in the fraction of a second that followed, beginning just 10 to the minus 35 seconds (roughly one trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second) after the universe's birth. Matter ultimately coalesced hundreds of millions of years later into planets, stars, and ultimately us.

And like ripples from a ball kicked into a pond, that Big Bang-fueled expansion caused ripples in the ancient light from that event, light which remains imprinted in the skies in a leftover glow called the cosmic microwave background.

Scientists still don’t know who kicked the ball.

But if confirmed, the newfound ripples would be amazing proof of what has long been mere theory about what happened in those first millionths of a second.

“The implications for this detection stagger the mind,” said Jamie Bock, professor of physics at Caltech, laboratory senior research scientist at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) and project co-leader. “We are measuring a signal that comes from the dawn of time.”

"It would be the most important discovery since the discovery, I think, that the expansion of the universe is accelerating," Harvard astronomer Avi Loeb, who is not a member of the study team, told Space.com. He compared the finding to a 1998 observation that opened the window on mysterious dark energy and won three researchers the 2011 Nobel Prize in physics.

The groundbreaking results came from observations by BICEP2, a telescope at the South Pole, of the cosmic microwave background -- a faint glow left over from the Big Bang.

Beginning a fraction of a fraction of a second after the universe's birth, according to the current theory, space-time expanded incredibly rapidly, ballooning outward faster than the speed of light. The afterglow from that expansion is called the cosmic microwave background, and tiny fluctuations in it provide clues to conditions in the early universe.

For example, small differences in temperature across the sky show where parts of the universe were denser, eventually condensing into galaxies and galactic clusters.

Since the cosmic microwave background is a form of light, it exhibits all the properties of light, including polarization. On Earth, sunlight is scattered by the atmosphere and becomes polarized, which is why polarized sunglasses help reduce glare. In space, the cosmic microwave background was scattered by atoms and electrons and became polarized too.

“Our team hunted for a special type of polarization called ‘B-modes,’ which represents a twisting or ‘curl’ pattern in the polarized orientations of the ancient light,” said Bock.

The team presented their work at a press conference Monda at Harvard -- the discovery of that characteristic pattern of polarization in the skies, which they called proof of the gravitational waves across the primordial sky.

“This work offers new insights into some of our most basic questions: Why do we exist? How did the universe begin? These results are not only a smoking gun for inflation, they also tell us when inflation took place and how powerful the process was,” Harvard theorist Avi Loeb said.

Tombstone RJ · 03-19-2014, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Okay, you've made a claim (that is wrong), now explain how this is true.

please help me out, how is this wrong?

WhiteWhale · 03-19-2014, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

please help me out, how is this wrong?

You are the one making an outrageous claim. The burden of proof is on you. You haven't even told me HOW you think they are at odds.

Why would I help you? I'm using socratic irony here. Your inability to explain exposes your ignorance.

Tombstone RJ · 03-19-2014, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

You are the one making an outrageous claim. The burden of proof is on you.

lol, whatever. The burden of proof is squarely on you to explain how the big bang theory does not violate the first law of thermodynamics.

**Dave Lane** · 03-19-2014, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

when you've lost an argument you tend to start insulting people, congrats.

No when I'm bored and tired of banging my head on the wall of talking to low information science posters then I tend to insult the fact that they don't know anything.

WhiteWhale · 03-19-2014, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

lol, whatever. The burden of proof is squarely on you to explain how the big bang theory does not violate the first law of thermodynamics.

Ummm... no, it is not.

You can't claim you are smarter than every astronomer on earth and then say the burden of proof is on me. You made the claim, so back it up. I can't tell you how you are wrong when you won't even specify what the hell you're claiming.

**Dave Lane** · 03-19-2014, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

lol, whatever. The burden of proof is squarely on you to explain how the big bang theory does not violate the first law of thermodynamics.

Because you haven't a single foggy clue what the hell you're talking about. You made the claim back it up buckwheat.

WhiteWhale · 03-19-2014, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Because you haven't a single foggy clue what the hell you're talking about. You made the claim back it up buckwheat.

Socratic irony FTMFW

Tombstone RJ · 03-19-2014, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Ummm... no, it is not.

You can't claim you are smarter than every astronomer on earth and then say the burden of proof is on me. You made the claim, so back it up. I can't tell you how you are wrong when you won't even specify what the hell you're claiming.

lol, you have no clue, do you?

Tombstone RJ · 03-19-2014, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Because you haven't a single foggy clue what the hell you're talking about. You made the claim back it up buckwheat.

the conservation of energy is not hard to understand, but you think insulting people somehow absolves you of trying to reconcile how the big bang theory violates this law. You not only are stupid, you are lazy too.

**Dave Lane** · 03-19-2014, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

the conservation of energy is not hard to understand, but you think insulting people somehow absolves you of trying to reconcile how the big bang theory violates this law. You not only are stupid, you are lazy too.

Okay it looks like you're not here to actually discuss this or back up any of your claims so I think we can say this discussion is at an end. Have a good day

Tombstone RJ · 03-19-2014, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Ummm... no, it is not.

You can't claim you are smarter than every astronomer on earth and then say the burden of proof is on me. You made the claim, so back it up. I can't tell you how you are wrong when you won't even specify what the hell you're claiming.

no, I'm asking you to resolve a problem and you claim there is no problem.

Priest31kc · 03-19-2014, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

lol, whatever. The burden of proof is squarely on you to explain how the big bang theory does not violate the first law of thermodynamics.

Go to 7:39:

Tombstone RJ · 03-19-2014, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Okay it looks like you're not here to actually discuss this or back up any of your claims so I think we can say this discussion is at an end. Have a good day

Tombstone RJ · 03-19-2014, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Priest31kc

Go to 7:39:

Not gonna watch because I'm not claiming anything about God.

Priest31kc · 03-19-2014, 11:35 AM

It explains how the Big Bang Theory does not violate the First Law of Thermodynamics.

But okay.

03-17-2014, 05:14 PM
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