Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 189

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

**TribalElder** · 12-11-2018, 11:11 PM

That video I posted mentioned more use the more swollen it will get

Pasta Little Brioni · 12-11-2018, 11:12 PM

You simpletons realize if he was physically capable he'd play right?

threebag · 12-11-2018, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

You simpletons realize if he was physically capable he'd play right?

Yeah he’s looking like a lot of dead money right now

Flying High D · 12-11-2018, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

You simpletons realize if he was physically capable he'd play right?

If he’s not physically capable of playing why is he on the active roster?

BlackOp · 12-11-2018, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

You simpletons realize if he was physically capable he'd play right?

That's the question...it's strange that Berry hasn't said a word to the media about it.

-King- · 12-11-2018, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

That's the question...it's strange that Berry hasn't said a word to the media about it.

Is he supposed to?
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Flying High D · 12-11-2018, 11:37 PM

https://cdn-vox--cdn-com.cdn.ampproj...11056236.0.jpg

It would probably answer a lot of questions if he would.

BlackOp · 12-11-2018, 11:52 PM

As this goes on, I think there are 4 factors in play

#1. Berry will ultimately need surgery to shave down the bone spur. He just had his other Achilles repaired so they are hedging (hoping) that time will allow it to "calm down" enough to play a few games this year. His salary is guaranteed...so with the "wait and see" approach, there is is still a slight chance to get some production for $13 million.

#2. Berry doesn't want to have another surgery...and I cant say I blame him. If it doesn't heal on it's own this year, he can retire and still receive his $16 million from 2019. He's getting old... and probably not worth the hassle/rehab. This was his last payday.

#3. By keeping him on the active roster and visually present, they are attempting to wipe some of the "egg" off CHunts face with his ill-advised contract. There really isn't any other way to paint it...it's one of the worst contract situations/busts in NFL history.

#4. There is more PR damage control internally as Dorsey didn't want to sign Berry. EB went over his head and CHunt obliged. You cant let a player do that to your GM...you hired him to make football decisions. I'm 100% convinced this was the beginning of why thing went south so quickly...and he was fired. Dorsey was right...and CHunt got duped. He owns the team...so now everyone has to cover for his incompetence.

Pasta Little Brioni · 12-12-2018, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Flying High D

If he’s not physically capable of playing why is he on the active roster?

Is it really that difficult to grasp that it hasn't healed as expected? If he's not capable of performing like an elite athlete, there was no point going out there.

Pasta Little Brioni · 12-12-2018, 12:04 AM

You guys turn simple things into some 10000 page conspiracy. It's maddening.

RunKC · 12-12-2018, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

That's the question...it's strange that Berry hasn't said a word to the media about it.

Except he has. Post 2712

BlackOp · 12-12-2018, 12:09 AM

I'm resigned to accept that he probably wont make any meaningful impact this year. If he does...it would be fantastic. I just dont know how realistic that would be...he's coming off a blown Achilles and hasn't played in 2 years.

Flying High D · 12-12-2018, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Is it really that difficult to grasp that it hasn't healed as expected? If he's not capable of performing like an elite athlete, there was no point going out there.

Ever heard of Ronnie Lott?

Pasta Little Brioni · 12-12-2018, 12:36 AM

Oh for ****s sake

GloryDayz · 12-12-2018, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Today, Glory used his ED as an excuse to call in

I guess now that my junk will last four hours, we'll have to see if my heart can!

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $2046899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level. Last edited by DaFace; 09-29-2018 at 04:32 PM..
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BlackOp MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $5875267	As this goes on, I think there are 4 factors in play #1. Berry will ultimately need surgery to shave down the bone spur. He just had his other Achilles repaired so they are hedging (hoping) that time will allow it to "calm down" enough to play a few games this year. His salary is guaranteed...so with the "wait and see" approach, there is is still a slight chance to get some production for $13 million. #2. Berry doesn't want to have another surgery...and I cant say I blame him. If it doesn't heal on it's own this year, he can retire and still receive his $16 million from 2019. He's getting old... and probably not worth the hassle/rehab. This was his last payday. #3. By keeping him on the active roster and visually present, they are attempting to wipe some of the "egg" off CHunts face with his ill-advised contract. There really isn't any other way to paint it...it's one of the worst contract situations/busts in NFL history. #4. There is more PR damage control internally as Dorsey didn't want to sign Berry. EB went over his head and CHunt obliged. You cant let a player do that to your GM...you hired him to make football decisions. I'm 100% convinced this was the beginning of why thing went south so quickly...and he was fired. Dorsey was right...and CHunt got duped. He owns the team...so now everyone has to cover for his incompetence.
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