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Old 02-28-2015, 08:49 AM  
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Need some advice from a LEO or social service person please
Very long story...
My oldest daughter has a friend who is her same age (20), her friend has a 4 year old that stayed with us for about a year and a half. She went back with her mom to Alabama when her father passed away. She within the last week has gotten arrested on possession charges. She is out on bond, is going to have to go thru a court drug program, and wants us to take Spencer again while she attempts to straighten her life out.
Melinda (Spencer's mom) got pregnant with Spencer when she was 15, the guy who is the father was 24. That should be stat rape if I understand the law. She is just attempting to get child support from him now. She dropped Spencer off with him (which was a horrible idea on many levels) on Wednesday. She stayed a couple nights. We were going to go pick Spencer up from Alabama today, but her father has her and won't give her back to Melinda so we can get her. He is not on the birth certificate. The police told her that if she willingly dropped her off there then they can't take her from the home unless she is in danger.
My only concern is Spencer and her well being. She is now in a home with her father who is basically a pedophile in my book. What can Melinda do to get Spencer from him. She is going to go file stat rape charges on him, but police say they have to give it to DA before they can do anything.
Please give me some advise. I'm very frustrated, and worries for Spencer. The pics I have seen posted she looks bad, big bags under her eyes etc. I need to get her out of this situation. Her mom is going o sign papers giving us temp custody so we can get her back to Florida. Please any help is greatly appreciated. PM me if you want.

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Old 02-28-2015, 09:22 AM   #16
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Has she shown up to pick her up?
She didn't go there to get her. He told her via text he wasn't giving her back. I'm telling her now she needs to call the police and have them meet her there to get her. Is that what she needs to do?
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Old 02-28-2015, 09:24 AM   #17
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She didn't go there to get her. He told her via text he wasn't giving her back. I'm telling her now she needs to call the police and have them meet her there to get her. Is that what she needs to do?
I don't see how she gets the kid back without a court order if the dad shes asking for child support from wants her.

She can get a temporary order of custody.

Telling you right now the last thing kids need are the sirens and pounding of cops at their door as parents scream at eachother.
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Old 02-28-2015, 09:24 AM   #18
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She didn't go there to get her. He told her via text he wasn't giving her back. I'm telling her now she needs to call the police and have them meet her there to get her. Is that what she needs to do?
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I don't know what the law is in that state but in MO, OR, and KS custody can't be assumed. It is the mothers to have until she either loses it or gives it away.
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Cops went and found nothing?
He knew the cops were coming so he likely put away anything incriminating.
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I don't see how she gets the kid back without a court order if the dad shes asking for child support from wants her.

She can get a temporary order of custody.

Telling you right now the last thing kids need are the sirens and pounding of cops at their door as parents scream at eachother.
Father never had custody. Friend of mine went down this road a couple of years back.

Agreed that the last thing needed is a continuous state of cop's knuckles pounding on doors.
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It's a tough situation. I love this girl like she's my own. I just want her in a safe place, whether that's with me or someone else. But knowing some of what's going on in that house I know that's not a safe place for a 4 year old. Not that it matters at this point but he has a pretty long record also.
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He knew the cops were coming so he likely put away anything incriminating.
yeah I feel the pain. My crazy ex was popping pills like crazy but I couldn't prove it until he died.

It in no way took away his rights to his kids.

Tho if wishing made it so.
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Father never had custody. Friend of mine went down this road a couple of years back.

Agreed that the last thing needed is a continuous state of cop's knuckles pounding on doors.
But she handed the kid to the dad. Probably said heres daddy. Then asked for child support.

I think theres enough for the man to claim bitches are crazy.
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It's a tough situation. I love this girl like she's my own. I just want her in a safe place, whether that's with me or someone else. But knowing some of what's going on in that house I know that's not a safe place for a 4 year old. Not that it matters at this point but he has a pretty long record also.
He can't just say I'm not giving her back.
A list of things he could do: file for custody (and temporary custody), work for what's in the best interest of the minor, or give her back

Those are her options.
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I don't know what the law is in that state but in MO, OR, and KS custody can't be assumed. It is the mothers to have until she either loses it or gives it away.
Thanks, I just told her she needs to go there. Call the police and have them meet her there.
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But she handed the kid to the dad. Probably said heres daddy. Then asked for child support.

I think theres enough for the man to claim bitches are crazy.
Depends how she did it.




Coochie did she state when she was picking her up?
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Who cares if she did? He would just lie and say she didn't.
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For that matter he could say this chick ABANDONED the baby with him.
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Depends how she did it.




Coochie did she state when she was picking her up?
She dropped he off for the nigh on Wed, she called and wanted to stay the night again Thu, and last night she wanted to get her but he text her first that he was dropping her off at her moms (which he didn't do) then text her he wasn't giving her back because she wasn't sending his girl out of state. So I think it was originally just one night she was gonna stay.
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For that matter he could say this chick ABANDONED the baby with him.
Maybe, but there is a bit of a text trail to prove otherwise I believe.
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