NFL Draft Hypothetical: Chip Kelly LOVES Geno Smith

saphojunkie · 02-01-2013, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

No. This is the perfect kind of situation where the Chiefs get burned. Happens to us all the time.

You might not be wrong to turn down the trade, but you absolutely have to have a more rational explanation than this.

**RealSNR** · 02-01-2013, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

You might not be wrong to turn down the trade, but you absolutely have to have a more rational explanation than this.

Okay. How's this for rational?

It's settling. I don't care how small the distance between the QBs is that Andy Reid perceives. Andy Reid needs to take his preferred QB. The QB he wants the most in this entire draft. If that's Wilson, he needs to take Wilson. If that's Barkley, he needs to take Barkley.

There was a pretty small difference between Andrew Luck and RGIII. Luck was a smidge higher on most boards. Let's say the Colts viewed the QB race last year that way, but the Rams (before they traded away the pick) REALLY wanted Luck, and were going to cut Bradford loose either by trade or something else. Should the Colts have accepted a trade down of one spot if they got that kind of deal from St. Louis?

Notice that I'm completely ignoring the issue of value and getting bang for one's draft buck. This is all about the bullshit of accepting 2nd best at the most important position for something like DRAFT PICKS. Every team gets 7 draft picks every year. A team is NEVER going to run out of draft picks. Guess what you can run out of though? Good QBs.

It's the exact same issue as the people who now say, "I'd trade entire DRAFTS if we could have a sure-fire franchise QB in KC for 10 years". Here we've been given our pick of the best QB in an entire draft. He has the potential to be that 10 year franchise QB. And what do we do? Pass on him for an extra CB and DL? Neither of which are guaranteed to be good players.

Never accept 2nd best when it comes to QBs for ****ing draft picks. NEVER EVER.

saphojunkie · 02-01-2013, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Okay. How's this for rational?

It's settling. I don't care how small the distance between the QBs is that Andy Reid perceives. Andy Reid needs to take his preferred QB. The QB he wants the most in this entire draft. If that's Wilson, he needs to take Wilson. If that's Barkley, he needs to take Barkley.

There was a pretty small difference between Andrew Luck and RGIII. Luck was a smidge higher on most boards. Let's say the Colts viewed the QB race last year that way, but the Rams (before they traded away the pick) REALLY wanted Luck, and were going to cut Bradford loose either by trade or something else. Should the Colts have accepted a trade down of one spot if they got that kind of deal from St. Louis?

Notice that I'm completely ignoring the issue of value and getting bang for one's draft buck. This is all about the bullshit of accepting 2nd best at the most important position for something like DRAFT PICKS. Every team gets 7 draft picks every year. A team is NEVER going to run out of draft picks. Guess what you can run out of though? Good QBs.

It's the exact same issue as the people who now say, "I'd trade entire DRAFTS if we could have a sure-fire franchise QB in KC for 10 years". Here we've been given our pick of the best QB in an entire draft. He has the potential to be that 10 year franchise QB. And what do we do? Pass on him for an extra CB and DL? Neither of which are guaranteed to be good players.

Never accept 2nd best when it comes to QBs for ****ing draft picks. NEVER EVER.

yes, but in this HYPOTHETICAL situation, the chiefs do not believe (however erroneously) that Geno was the #1 guy.

I have tried to repeat that in most of my responses to avoid the all-out "Geno or Player X" argument.

For the ****ing record:

I want Geno Smith.

Geno Smith is the most impactful player in this draft.
Geno Smith is the #1 QB in this draft.
Geno Smith can stay with my mom while he looks for a house in Kansas City.
Geno Smith 4 eva.

Now, can we get back to this wonderful, time-wasting, why-the-****-isn't-it-five o'clock-yet hypothetical where the Chiefs get a franchise QB and five top 35 picks over the next two drafts?

Fat Elvis · 02-01-2013, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

yes, but in this HYPOTHETICAL situation, the chiefs do not believe (however erroneously) that Geno was the #1 guy.

I have tried to repeat that in most of my responses to avoid the all-out "Geno or Player X" argument.

For the ****ing record:

I want Geno Smith.

Geno Smith is the most impactful player in this draft.
Geno Smith is the #1 QB in this draft.
Geno Smith can stay with my mom while he looks for a house in Kansas City.
Geno Smith 4 eva.

Now, can we get back to this wonderful, time-wasting, why-the-****-isn't-it-five o'clock-yet hypothetical where the Chiefs get a franchise QB and five top 35 picks over the next two drafts?

I don't think people get this. I, too, am a Geno fan. Early adopter/bandwagoner.

**RealSNR** · 02-01-2013, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

yes, but in this HYPOTHETICAL situation, the chiefs do not believe (however erroneously) that Geno was the #1 guy.

I already addressed this in my answer:

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Andy Reid needs to take his preferred QB. The QB he wants the most in this entire draft. If that's Wilson, he needs to take Wilson. If that's Barkley, he needs to take Barkley.

saphojunkie · 02-01-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I already addressed this in my answer:

Okay, fine.

I think you're being myopic, but I'm not going to fault anyone who comes out off the draft with the QB they think is the best guy.

You could have most likely gotten him as well as some other picks, but it's not the end of the world.

Me? I'd take the trade confident that one of those guys is falling.

O.city · 02-01-2013, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Okay, fine.

I think you're being myopic, but I'm not going to fault anyone who comes out off the draft with the QB they think is the best guy.

You could have most likely gotten him as well as some other picks, but it's not the end of the world.

Me? I'd take the trade confident that one of those guys is falling.

So the chance of missing out on your guy is worth a few extra picks? Do those picks really matter if you miss on your QB?

**RealSNR** · 02-01-2013, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Okay, fine.

I think you're being myopic, but I'm not going to fault anyone who comes out off the draft with the QB they think is the best guy.

You could have most likely gotten him as well as some other picks, but it's not the end of the world.

Me? I'd take the trade confident that one of those guys is falling.

You'd be confident? I sure as **** wouldn't. By making that trade we're pretty much telegraphing to the entire draft, "HEY GUYS! WE LIKE TYLER WILSON AND WE'RE GONNA PLAY FAST AND LOOSE WITH HIM! I SURE HOPE NOBODY JUMPS AHEAD OF US AND TAKES HIM, FOILING OUR ENTIRE PLAN!"

All it takes is one team who really likes Tyler Wilson and sees what we're trying to do with the Eagles.

And remember who's picking in front of us if we trade back to #4. Oakland. They desperately need more draft picks since this draft is very deep in the middle rounds. With that #3 pick, they're dealing with a team (perhaps Buffalo or someone like that) who REALLY wants Wilson, and who knows what KC is doing. If they don't move, Wilson will be gone. That makes the Raiders pick pretty valuable. They could get a lot for moving down just a few spots. And also consider that they KNOW they'd be ****ing over KC by making that trade. The cherry on top of their perfect draft day maneuver.

Why is it true fans (not labeling you as one) say QBs are too risky, but when it comes to franchise deals like this, nothing is risky enough? Sure, show our hand! What the hell are other teams going to do? We're fiiiine. And if we miss out on Wilson, what's the worst that could happen? We just end up like St. Louis last year, who got in for waaay more than they bargained for, but that's not a big deal, is it?

Fat Elvis · 02-01-2013, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

You'd be confident? I sure as **** wouldn't. By making that trade we're pretty much telegraphing to the entire draft, "HEY GUYS! WE LIKE TYLER WILSON AND WE'RE GONNA PLAY FAST AND LOOSE WITH HIM! I SURE HOPE NOBODY JUMPS AHEAD OF US AND TAKES HIM, FOILING OUR ENTIRE PLAN!"

All it takes is one team who really likes Tyler Wilson and sees what we're trying to do with the Eagles.

And remember who's picking in front of us if we trade back to #4. Oakland. They desperately need more draft picks since this draft is very deep in the middle rounds. With that #3 pick, they're dealing with a team (perhaps Buffalo or someone like that) who REALLY wants Wilson, and who knows what KC is doing. If they don't move, Wilson will be gone. That makes the Raiders pick pretty valuable. They could get a lot for moving down just a few spots. And also consider that they KNOW they'd be ****ing over KC by making that trade. The cherry on top of their perfect draft day maneuver.

Why is it true fans (not labeling you as one) say QBs are too risky, but when it comes to franchise deals like this, nothing is risky enough? Sure, show our hand! What the hell are other teams going to do? We're fiiiine. And if we miss out on Wilson, what's the worst that could happen? We just end up like St. Louis last year, who got in for waaay more than they bargained for, but that's not a big deal, is it?

We aren't telegraphing anything; in the OP Alex Smith has already been brought in for insurance.

saphojunkie · 02-01-2013, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

You'd be confident? I sure as **** wouldn't. By making that trade we're pretty much telegraphing to the entire draft, "HEY GUYS! WE LIKE TYLER WILSON AND WE'RE GONNA PLAY FAST AND LOOSE WITH HIM! I SURE HOPE NOBODY JUMPS AHEAD OF US AND TAKES HIM, FOILING OUR ENTIRE PLAN!"

All it takes is one team who really likes Tyler Wilson and sees what we're trying to do with the Eagles.

And remember who's picking in front of us if we trade back to #4. Oakland. They desperately need more draft picks since this draft is very deep in the middle rounds. With that #3 pick, they're dealing with a team (perhaps Buffalo or someone like that) who REALLY wants Wilson, and who knows what KC is doing. If they don't move, Wilson will be gone. That makes the Raiders pick pretty valuable. They could get a lot for moving down just a few spots. And also consider that they KNOW they'd be ****ing over KC by making that trade. The cherry on top of their perfect draft day maneuver.

Why is it true fans (not labeling you as one) say QBs are too risky, but when it comes to franchise deals like this, nothing is risky enough? Sure, show our hand! What the hell are other teams going to do? We're fiiiine. And if we miss out on Wilson, what's the worst that could happen? We just end up like St. Louis last year, who got in for waaay more than they bargained for, but that's not a big deal, is it?

Nah, you're right.

If we took this trade, it would have to be because we don't like any of those guys and we signed Alex Smith and are positioning ourselves for drafting a QB down the road.

Not at all what I want, but I think you're right. If you're planning to draft a QB this year, you have to take him #1 and not look back.

You win.