Poe.

[chiefzilla1501]

Anybody who thinks Powe should play the Nose and Poe should play End has no idea how the game has evolved.

And anybody who can't see the value in having a Nose Tackle like Poe that can play multiple techniques... same deal.

Dontari Poe was an absolutely terrific pick. One of the few that looks to be solid in the Pioli era.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Anybody who thinks Powe should play the Nose and Poe should play End has no idea how the game has evolved.

And anybody who can't see the value in having a Nose Tackle like Poe that can play multiple techniques... same deal.

Dontari Poe was an absolutely terrific pick. One of the few that looks to be solid in the ***** era.

Woah. Easy there, tiger. I'm warming up to Poe as well, but he's far from a terrific pick yet. He steadily improved throughout last season, considering if he was farting behind Toribio all of preseason. I'm hopeful the aggressive scheme from Bob Newhart will make him even better, but he still has a long way to go. If not, he's no better than a Tyson Jackson kind of player at NT, which is pretty much what we had with Ron Edwards.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by SNR

Woah. Easy there, tiger. I'm warming up to Poe as well, but he's far from a terrific pick yet. He steadily improved throughout last season, considering if he was farting behind Toribio all of preseason. I'm hopeful the aggressive scheme from Bob Newhart will make him even better, but he still has a long way to go. If not, he's no better than a Tyson Jackson kind of player at NT, which is pretty much what we had with Ron Edwards.

He was a terrific pick because we took a chance on a player at a critical position whose upside is to play a rare form of that position. He's not just any nose tackle. He has ability to be Vince Wilfork or Haloti Ngata, and that is a really tough and extremely valuable player in this league.

I am not saying he's a terrific pick because he's an awesome player. I know what he is -- he's much further along than we expected, but still has a long way to go. But this was one of the only picks Pioli made where he drafted based on positional value instead of taking a safe pick.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Anybody who thinks Powe should play the Nose and Poe should play End has no idea how the game has evolved.

And anybody who can't see the value in having a Nose Tackle like Poe that can play multiple techniques... same deal.

Dontari Poe was an absolutely terrific pick. One of the few that looks to be solid in the ***** era.

Powe is not the protypical run stuffer that I assume you are implying him to be with "no idea how the game has evolved comment".

His problem, from what I could see, in Romeo's scheme, is that he couldn't control his desire to penetrate, and wasn't able to maintain his gap responsibility within the scheme.

Powe is more athletic than his size would indicate, and is a good fit in an attacking 34 because of that athletic ability, and his ability to penetrate.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by milkman

Powe is not the protypical run stuffer that I assume you are implying him to be with "no idea how the game has evolved comment".

His problem, from what I could see, in Romeo's scheme, is that he couldn't control his desire to penetrate, and wasn't able to maintain his gap responsibility within the scheme.

Powe is more athletic than his size would indicate, and is a good fit in an attacking 34 because of that athletic ability, and his ability to penetrate.

They need to put Powe in two or three times in a quarter just to blow up the center into the back field. He can blow up an offense if that is the mission he is sent in to do. Not for every down but give him a play or two in a series of downs. I think D lineman are at best when they aren't on the field the entire game and get rotated.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

Powe is not the protypical run stuffer that I assume you are implying him to be with "no idea how the game has evolved comment".

His problem, from what I could see, in Romeo's scheme, is that he couldn't control his desire to penetrate, and wasn't able to maintain his gap responsibility within the scheme.

Powe is more athletic than his size would indicate, and is a good fit in an attacking 34 because of that athletic ability, and his ability to penetrate.

I am talking about how the game has evolved to the Nose Tackle having to play multiple techniques. You have to do that to beat No Huddle. Which is why people undervalue DeVito's role in this defense. And they overvalue guys like Terence Cody who play pure zero technique versus a guy like Wilfork who can and does play pretty much every single defensive snap.

Powe is limited in his versatility. He is a pure 0-technique, and that's probably his only position. Poe can play the 0-technique, probably the 5-technique, and has the skill set to even one day play 1-tech and 3-tech.

[themanwithnoname]

Originally Posted by milkman

Powe is not the protypical run stuffer that I assume you are implying him to be with "no idea how the game has evolved comment".

His problem, from what I could see, in Romeo's scheme, is that he couldn't control his desire to penetrate, and wasn't able to maintain his gap responsibility within the scheme.

Powe is more athletic than his size would indicate, and is a good fit in an attacking 34 because of that athletic ability, and his ability to penetrate.

Powe or Poe?

I guess I just don't get the hype for Powe. He's struggled to just get on the field. That's not a condemnation really (especially considering our incompetent coaching), as I'd love for him to be Dan Saleamua but I'm just not really understanding why people are talking like he's some hyped up 1st round pick that's already started for a couple of years and is primed to break out or something.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Anybody who thinks Powe should play the Nose and Poe should play End has no idea how the game has evolved.

And anybody who can't see the value in having a Nose Tackle like Poe that can play multiple techniques... same deal.

Dontari Poe was an absolutely terrific pick. One of the few that looks to be solid in the ***** era.

I think Poe can do better at DE than Tyson Jack. I think Powe should be at NT and give that push shoving the center back and penetrate wreaking havoc with DJ blitzing right behind him.


Poe is more versatile along the line yet Powe has more power to beast it up the middle.

It would not surprise me this preseason games to see Powe out play Poe at NT.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

I think Poe can do better at DE than Tyson Jack. I think Powe should be at NT and give that push shoving the center back and penetrate wreaking havoc with DJ blitzing right behind him.


Poe is more versatile along the line yet Powe has more power to beast it up the middle.

It would not surprise me this preseason games to see Powe out play Poe at NT.

What makes a nt like Poe so valuable is when a team goes no huddle and let's say they force you to the nickel or they shift into a 5 receiver set, all of a sudden you can't run a traditional base 3-4. That's what guys like Casey Hampton are getting phased out while Wilfork and ngata are essentially becoming franchise players.

I did forget, however, that if we are moving to a Rex Ryan base defense, that it could also be done keeping both Poe and Powe on the field. Just as Baltimore often does with Cody and ngata. Big difference being that Powe would have to learn the 1 technique which is essentially a 4-3 nose tackle.