Movies and TV Movies - Page 375

irishjayhawk · 10-13-2007, 11:31 PM

Yeah, so I saw a lot of movies this weekend.

Elizabeth: The Golden Age - Mediocre, at best. Slow and dragged on. Shorten it to 2 hours and it's golden. It's not, so it fails.

Michael Clayton - Amazing. Everything about it is awesome. However, it's VERY complex and mind bending. You have to think, so be prepared. I still feel like I'm missing key details of exactly what happened. Gotta see it again.

Across the Universe - Perfect is one word that comes to mind. It just works. And, contrary to many people I bet, the movie is best viewed sober. Trust me.

Red Brooklyn · 08-12-2010, 06:43 PM

I sent you a PM, and I edited my previous post.

**QuikSsurfer** · 08-12-2010, 06:44 PM

lol.. jesus

Red Brooklyn · 08-12-2010, 06:45 PM

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lol.. jesus

what's so funny about Jesus?

Red Brooklyn · 08-12-2010, 06:47 PM

Watched Date Night the other night. I lol'd.

irishjayhawk · 08-12-2010, 06:51 PM

Ghost Writer is severely overrated.

It has a great idea in its implications but man it was worthless, overall.

Red Brooklyn · 08-12-2010, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

Ghost Writer is severely overrated.

It has a great idea in its implications but man it was worthless, overall.

Are you typically a Polanski fan?

irishjayhawk · 08-12-2010, 06:54 PM

I have to disagree with you Reaper because I feel what you're presenting as anti-Semetic is too in vein of labeling anyone against the support of Israel or its people as anti-Semetic. In other words, it's so broad as to be worthless.

Would you be saying it was anti-Christian if he'd been a Christian?

irishjayhawk · 08-12-2010, 06:56 PM

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Are you typically a Polanski fan?

I'm neither here nor there regarding Polanski.

I hated Chinatown though, so yeah. I still need to see the Pianist, which is on Netflix streaming.

I just felt that there was little meat to the bone of the movie. Indeed, the only meat was the very little explored implication of CIA controlling another country.

Red Brooklyn · 08-12-2010, 06:59 PM

Interesting.

I've heard such good things... It's in my que. Once I'll get to it, I'll post my thoughts.

irishjayhawk · 08-12-2010, 09:38 PM

In the Loop was hilarious until about 30 minutes left (maybe less). It just fell apart after that.

Fairplay · 08-12-2010, 09:52 PM

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That is absolutely not what I am doing. Not at all.

The film certainly deals with anti-semitic themes, but that does not make the movie hateful. Many of the film's characters are ignorant and racist, but that doesn't make the film so.

As I'm sure you know, the film is based on true events. In real life Sarsgaard's character was Jewish. It's not racism or antisemitism, it's a fact of life. They didn't choose to make the character Jewish to make some point - to propagate hateful sentiments or anti-semitic messages. If a black man robbed a 7-11, would you call the nightly news racist for reporting that a black man robed a 7-11. If a white man murdered his wife and kids would you call the news racist or bigoted for reporting that a white man murdered his wife and kids?

Hornby has talked openly about how he struggled with the idea of changing the truth. There was talk of changing Sarsgaard's character so that he wasn't Jewish. Ultimately, it was decided that changing the facts would be more offensive and insulting to the audience and to the Jewish community. This was even discussed with the films original director - a Jew.

It's a period film. At that point in British history antisemitism was prevalent.
Would you rather they sugarcoat the truth? Would you rather they change or ignore these facts of time and place? Is it wrong to include them in a period film based on actual events? If the make a movie about OJ Simpson should they gloss over the murder trial and forget to mention that he got busted for robbery and kidnapping in Las Vegas because some people might find it racist?

There are terrible people doing terrible things in all walks of life. All shapes, sizes, sexes, races and classes of people do shitty things. The opposite is also true. All shapes, sizes, sexes, races and classes of people do wonderful, glorious, heroic things. By depicting one you are negating the other. By telling one story you are not surrendering all others.

I'm sorry if the movie made you uncomfortable. If you dislike the movie because of it's themes, I understand and I can't blame you for that. They are tough themes. But that's the same reason why I don't recommend Happiness to everyone. The movie portrays a pedophile in a human, (at times even) compassionate light. Does that mean the film is advocating pedophilia? Absolutely not!

The same is true of An Education. It is dealing with certain themes, and certain character ideals, but as far as I can tell the artists involved are in no way condoning such attitudes and behaviors. The movie is not advocating antisemitism. The movie is not hateful. The film is not in agreement with it's more ignorant characters.

Is Crash a hateful film? Is Schindler's List? Is Roots?

Just because a character behaves a certain way - a way that is true to life, that is based in fact - does not mean that the film advocates that behavior. If that were the case, then I suppose The Silence Of The Lambs is racist against Caucasians because it portrays all middle-aged white men as serial killers.

**Reaper16** · 08-12-2010, 10:41 PM

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In the Loop was hilarious until about 30 minutes left (maybe less). It just fell apart after that.

YOUR FACE IS BUTT.

I acknowledge a lull closer to the end but I feel it comes from the characters going back to England from the D.C. trip. The UN stuff was great for me. The whole film is great for me - falls apart is way too harsh - so you can POOP OFF, ASSBLOOD.

Miles · 08-12-2010, 10:56 PM

Agreed that falls apart is far too harsh. It has been a bit since I have seen it but from what I recall it stopped being consistently hilarious but didn't fall apart during the last act.

**Baby Lee** · 08-13-2010, 05:29 AM

Generality speak here, haven't seen 'An Education'

But I think the standard for 'bigotry' or 'stereotyping' should be if the medium is presented in a manner that trends the viewer to muse that there is a broader 'type' of person that acts much like the character on an ethnic basis.

ie, if you watch the movie and see the bad guy as a singular character, it one thing, and it's another altogether if you see the bad guy as representing a broader type. Compare the character of Hannibal Lecter to Mookie in DtRT.

Red Brooklyn · 08-13-2010, 06:21 AM

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Got it. Thanks for the invaluable input.

10-13-2007, 11:31 PM
irishjayhawk Feelin' Alright Join Date: Aug 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	Movies Yeah, so I saw a lot of movies this weekend. Elizabeth: The Golden Age - Mediocre, at best. Slow and dragged on. Shorten it to 2 hours and it's golden. It's not, so it fails. Michael Clayton - Amazing. Everything about it is awesome. However, it's VERY complex and mind bending. You have to think, so be prepared. I still feel like I'm missing key details of exactly what happened. Gotta see it again. Across the Universe - Perfect is one word that comes to mind. It just works. And, contrary to many people I bet, the movie is best viewed sober. Trust me.
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08-12-2010, 06:51 PM	#5615
irishjayhawk Feelin' Alright Join Date: Aug 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	Ghost Writer is severely overrated. It has a great idea in its implications but man it was worthless, overall. __________________ "Think about how stupid the average person is. Then remember that half the people in the world are stupider than that." --George Carlin
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08-12-2010, 06:54 PM	#5617
irishjayhawk Feelin' Alright Join Date: Aug 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	I have to disagree with you Reaper because I feel what you're presenting as anti-Semetic is too in vein of labeling anyone against the support of Israel or its people as anti-Semetic. In other words, it's so broad as to be worthless. Would you be saying it was anti-Christian if he'd been a Christian? __________________ "Think about how stupid the average person is. Then remember that half the people in the world are stupider than that." --George Carlin
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08-12-2010, 06:59 PM	#5619
Red Brooklyn Veteran Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brooklyn, NY Casino cash: $8151398	Interesting. I've heard such good things... It's in my que. Once I'll get to it, I'll post my thoughts.
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08-12-2010, 09:38 PM	#5620
irishjayhawk Feelin' Alright Join Date: Aug 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	In the Loop was hilarious until about 30 minutes left (maybe less). It just fell apart after that. __________________ "Think about how stupid the average person is. Then remember that half the people in the world are stupider than that." --George Carlin
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08-12-2010, 10:56 PM	#5623
Miles MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Casino cash: $1682400	Agreed that falls apart is far too harsh. It has been a bit since I have seen it but from what I recall it stopped being consistently hilarious but didn't fall apart during the last act.
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08-13-2010, 05:29 AM	#5624
Baby Lee Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6838598	Generality speak here, haven't seen 'An Education' But I think the standard for 'bigotry' or 'stereotyping' should be if the medium is presented in a manner that trends the viewer to muse that there is a broader 'type' of person that acts much like the character on an ethnic basis. ie, if you watch the movie and see the bad guy as a singular character, it one thing, and it's another altogether if you see the bad guy as representing a broader type. Compare the character of Hannibal Lecter to Mookie in DtRT. __________________ We need the kind of courage that can withstand the subtle corruption of the cynics - E.W.
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