Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 129

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

Skyy God · 11-13-2018, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Would a retirement due to injury be more beneficial to the cap?

Actually, no.

If Berry retires before June 1, it also screws us for 2019.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.beh...the-salary-cap

GloryDayz · 11-13-2018, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson

Actually, no.

If Berry retires before June 1, it also screws us for 2019.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.beh...the-salary-cap

I suspect he's going to be day-to-day until the contract is over, so we were screwed in 2019 anyway.

BlackOp · 11-14-2018, 01:54 AM

I don't think I can remember a player sitting out due to risk of a potential injury that hasn't happened. At this point, that's what this situation is...this inst an issue with his repaired Achilles, it's the risk for the other one giving out due to over compensation.

That's why you make $13 million a year...it's a high risk business.

Good thing Hill doesn't sit out an entire season because he might potentially blow out his ACL...

-King- · 11-14-2018, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

I don't think I can remember a player sitting out due to risk of a potential injury that hasn't happened. At this point, that's what this situation is...this inst an issue with his repaired Achilles, it's the risk for the other one giving out due to over compensation.

That's why you make $13 million a year...it's a high risk business.

Good thing Hill doesn't sit out an entire season because he might potentially blow out his ACL...

If he has already torn it and now there was a bone spur right on it, hed probably sit.
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**007** · 11-14-2018, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Done.

Very happy to see that downvote button works well.

BlackOp · 11-14-2018, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

If he has already torn it and now there was a bone spur right on it, hed probably sit.
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I think you are confused...the risk isn't with the Achilles that he tore/rehabbed. It's with his other heel. He has pain...that he's had for years with that one.

I think this is where fans, and rightfully so, are starting to question why this has gone on for so long. He has had this chronic heel pain before but somehow, after signing a guaranteed deal, is just too painful/big of risk to play.

They could numb it and use specially designed shoes. It's a pain issue...and CHunt/Reid are coddling him due to a bloated (reeruned) contract that Chunt brokered over Dorsey's head.

Rams week will be 27 game checks without playing a down. Props to Berry for juking the system....unlike Bell, he got paid for sitting out. Sweet gig if you can get it...

-King- · 11-14-2018, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

I think you are confused...the risk isn't with the Achilles that he tore/rehabbed. It's with his other heel. He has pain...that he's had for years with that one.

I think this is where fans, and rightfully so, are starting to question why this has gone on for so long. He has had this chronic heel pain before but somehow, after signing a guaranteed deal, is just too painful/big of risk to play.

They could numb it and use specially designed shoes. It's a pain issue...and CHunt/Reid are coddling him due to a bloated (reeruned) contract that Chunt brokered over Dorsey's head.

Rams week will be 27 game checks without playing a down. Props to Berry for juking the system....unlike Bell, he got paid for sitting out. Sweet gig if you can get it...

The league probably is paying him extra to sit out. You know how rigged it is
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BlackOp · 11-14-2018, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

The league probably is paying him extra to sit out. You know how rigged it is
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Your refusal to see that Berry isn't playing due to a "pain management" issue is clouding your opinion. He isn't "hurt" anymore....and hasn't been all season. Hurt is a torn ACL...

He's getting $13 million this year...and hasn't played a down due his non-achilles heel causing pain.

If you dont think this is "special" treatment due to a botched contract...you're nuts.

-King- · 11-14-2018, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

Your refusal to see that Berry isn't playing due to a "pain management" issue is clouding your opinion. He isn't "hurt" anymore....and hasn't been all season. Hurt is a torn ACL...

He's getting $13 million this year...and hasn't played a down due his non-achilles heel causing pain.

If you dont think this is "special" treatment due to a botched contract...you're nuts.

When did I ever say any of that? He's uncuttable this season due to his contract so that's why the team has no choice other than waiting until he can play. And the rigged NFL is paying him off too.
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Flying High D · 11-14-2018, 04:46 AM

Well this explains his look. He can’t look at himself in the mirror. He must really hate the Chiefs. Come on Super Bowl with him D2d.

GloryDayz · 11-14-2018, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

When did I ever say any of that? He's uncuttable this season due to his contract so that's why the team has no choice other than waiting until he can play. And the rigged NFL is paying him off too.
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And this is why the Chiefs are working on their 48th year of not playing in a SB... Too loyal, too nice, not willing to cut their losses by cutting a player who can't/won't perform; not treating it like a business.

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DTVietnam · 11-14-2018, 08:34 AM

**srvy** · 11-14-2018, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

Your refusal to see that Berry isn't playing due to a "pain management" issue is clouding your opinion. He isn't "hurt" anymore....and hasn't been all season. Hurt is a torn ACL...

He's getting $13 million this year...and hasn't played a down due his non-achilles heel causing pain.

If you dont think this is "special" treatment due to a botched contract...you're nuts.

Has the team or Berry confirmed that this is the issue Haglands? I honestly dont know except for the report from some source. I may have missed it as I dont really follow this day to day. I just hope its not something more serious like he is out of remission and this is why he look like shit on sidelines.

I guess I will remain hopeful that the Eric Berry I remember will soon be back terrorizing in the secondary.

O.city · 11-14-2018, 09:01 AM

You can't cut him right now. There's no point really, you're paying him either way.

After the season, it's a different story.

FloridaMan88 · 11-14-2018, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by srvy

Has the team or Berry confirmed that this is the issue Haglands?

No.

The Hagland story was probably leaked to the media by Eric Berry's agent/representative to spin the narrative in their favor that this is more than just a "day to day" minor heel pain issue.

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $2006899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level. Last edited by DaFace; 09-29-2018 at 04:32 PM..
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