How do you feel about Derek Jeter?

[Deberg_1990]

6 hits away from 3000.......

Underrated? Overrated? Rated just about right?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

He may not have ever played clean, but his game changed around '98-'99, so it's probably a pretty safe bet that he played clean his first 7 or 8 years.

Yes, that's true.

And I still think it's an interesting theory that steroids may not enhance performance nearly as much as people think it does. There are a lot of people who think that juiced balls might have more to do with the power hitting of the steroid era than steroids. If that's the case, then all steroids may have done is make Bonds slower--he was not only a power hitter, but also extremely fast.

[threebag]

I cannot stand the yankees

[GloryDayz]

The only thing that sux is now we won't stop hearing about it for 3 weeks!! Ugh! It's cool, but let's just be done with it now. Heck, the Royals scoring 13 is almost as monumental as his 3000!

[gblowfish]

Die Yankee Scum.

[RJ]

I really, really hate the Yankees but must confess to a grudging admiration for Jeter. Any baseball fan would love to have him on their own favorite team.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by gblowfish

Die Yankee Scum.

This.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by PGM

I'm sure that has nothing to do with the insane amount of talent he's played with in his career. Not every player gets to play with a stacked deck every season. I'm sure he'd have multiple "rings" with the Royals

Yankees weren't winning again until he showed up.

[vailpass]

5/5 with an HR for #3k?
Hate if you hate but there is no denying how nails that is.

[BigCatDaddy]

He's no Cal Ripken.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Yankees weren't winning until he showed up.

....along with 200 million dollars worth of "help"

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

PriscoCBSPete Prisco

The kid who caught Jeter's ball is a moron. He owes $100,000 in loans and gave it back? What? You are a moron, buddy.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

As far as where he ranks as a player: definitely an excellent player, but a shade below Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, and Mantle. Somebody (I think it was JoPo) tweeted the other day that Jeter should be with those other guys on a Yankee Mount Rushmore. I disagree. Those 4 stand alone.

errr...is this even in doubt?

I think he's a great player and surefire HOFer and all that, but he's not in the same league as the greatest of the greats. Not even close.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by loochy

I say total runs scored + total rbi is a good value of total worth. Bonds wins.

What? You're relying on other players to help you with both those stats. Babe Ruth on today's Pittsburgh Pirates gets tons of walks, therefore far fewer home runs and far fewer RBIs, and won't score nearly as often because he doesn't have Gehrig behind him.

Your stat reliance selection for determining good players is basically the exact opposite of what you should do.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

So heres an age old argument. Whose more valuable? A guy like Jeter with over 3000 hits, but really didnt walk all that much. Or a guy like Bonds, who didnt get 3000 hits but had alot more total bases and walks than Jeter did.

There's no difference between a single and a walk for any practical purpose in terms of evaluating a player.

Total hits is a great number, but if one guy gets 3,000 hits and 0 walks, and another guy has 2,500 hits and 500 walks, assuming the number of doubles, triples and home runs is the same, then they're the same guy.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yes, that's true.

And I still think it's an interesting theory that steroids may not enhance performance nearly as much as people think it does. There are a lot of people who think that juiced balls might have more to do with the power hitting of the steroid era than steroids. If that's the case, then all steroids may have done is make Bonds slower--he was not only a power hitter, but also extremely fast.

Holy crap.