My Official Endorsement of the #18 Overall Pick - Page 6

Direckshun · 04-17-2015, 02:31 PM

I've spent a shit ton of time thinking about it, might as well do it.

2014: WR Brandin Cooks, Oregon State
2013: QB Geno Smith, West Virginia
2012: OLB Whitney Mercilus, Illinois
2011: OLB Justin Houston, Georgia
2010: QB Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame

My official endorsement in 2015 is center Cam Erving, of Florida State.

Why not a WR: I don't anticipate that the three WRs I'd love (Cooper, White, Parker) will be available. I'm not a huge fan of DGB, and I have doubts in Perryman and Dorsett. I like the WR depth in this draft, especially on the 2nd day of the draft, and I'd prefer the Chiefs wait until then (or even better, trade down).

Why not a CB?: I believe that no player fits what John Dorsey wants in a draft pick more than Trae Waynes, but Waynes is likely a Top Ten pick. I think it's highly likely Dorsey selects Collins in the first round, but I have doubts there. Kevin Johnson is one of my favorite players in this draft but it's unclear to me if he's a schematic fit. And the character questions on Marcus Peters are too potentially severe to ignore. (Although, if the Chiefs select Peters, I'd trust Dorsey's judgement 100% since his resources are obviously drastically superior to mine, which don't exist.)

Why not an OT? I don't think tackle is a serious need for this team in 2015. Fisher should become a league average LT at least, and the team is basically married to him. We've got Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson for RT, both of whom should be fine enough there, and I don't like burning first rounders on RTs anyway. Besides, Cam Erving can play tackle.

Why not a passrusher? Everybody is jonesing really hard for Dupree right now, and justly so, but he will likely be gone before our selection. Simply put, the Chiefs must sign Justin Houston. If they cannot sign him, than they need to land two 1sts for him and my assessment here would change.

Why not an ILB? There are no ILBs in this draft that I like at #18. My favorite is Denzel Perryman, and there's a chance he lasts to our 2nd rounder.

Why Erving?

1. Erving hails from the best center factory in the country -- a factory that has churned out Rodney Hudson himself and Bryan Stork, who's surprised me by manning the center position capably for the Super Bowl champions.

2. Erving possesses all the characteristics that make centers successful. He's got long arms, fantastic pulling ability, great strength, and positional flexibility. His arrow is pointing dramatically upward, and like Hudson, you can expect him to be at an All Pro level within a couple seasons' playing time.

3. A great line, as the Cowboys and 49ers has shown, relieves pressure on the rest of the offense. Smith will have more time to diagnose, and Charles will have a longer career.

4. The Chiefs, for all their bluster, have exhibited little faith in Eric Kush, making center the most obvious hole on our roster.

The question is not "who is the best player," the question is "who will improve the team that most in the short- and long-term.

To me, that answer is Cam Erving.

Barring, of course, that the Houston situation is hopeless. In which case, I reserve the right to alter this endorsement.

**RealSNR** · 04-22-2015, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Let's just all agree that it isn't a good thing that this OL has been in flux the entire time that Reid and Dorsey have been here, especially when you consider the fact that Reid's schemes tend to be more complex than the majority of other coaches and much of what he does requires a really well-coordinated effort up front.

But I don't know what you want him to do about that. It apparently is uncouth to pay a good solid player like Geoff Schwartz who fits what Reid does. Meanwhile they HAVE looked to the draft to select linemen.

You can't have it both ways. You can't let your good players walk and also avoid the position group being in flux

BigChiefFan · 04-22-2015, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

. That's classic. I can't stop laughing.

Couch-Potato · 04-22-2015, 09:09 AM

So I'm not totally against Erving, and I'd probably agree he's the safe pick. But just think, 3 yrs down the road Chiefs fans are going to be screaming "why the hell didn't we take _____ in the 2015 draft!?" How many star WRs are going to be picked after us at #18? How many beastly front seven defenders? and lock down DBs? ...point is, even if there are only 2 or 3 legit stars taken after #18, Erving as a Center will never be one of them. Does that really make him BPA?

BPA > Filling holes is Dorsey's philosophy

ct · 04-22-2015, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

What if I told you it was actually the behavior of a team who spent the most money on a free agent WR this year and also gave decent deals to a mediocre ILB and backup OG, while they also re-signed their CB-turned-FS with one year of starting experience to a pretty good deal and traded a 5th rounder for Ben Grubbs and gave him an extension to save money in the short term? All of this while they knew what the market was for Rodney Hudson and still chose not to fork over the cash for either him or someone like Stefan Wisniewski.

What do you think that says about what they think of Eric Kush?

I'm late into this discussion, but this nicely sums up my feelings as well.

I've seen zero indication from the offseason activities that tell me they have questions about our starting C this year, and it's Eric Kush.

I won't be totally pissed if they take Erving, think he's got a great chance to be a great player. However, let's not get carried away with his prospects at RT, which I don't believe he's ever played, but I could easily be wrong, just haven't heard anything about that. What I have heard is here was much concern over his real prospects at LT, where he was showing some big holes in his game. And half a season moving to C, while he was impressive, doesn't give me huge confidence to take a C in the 1st round, which even a 4 year starter would be questionable value.

I'm down with BAA, which i have a suspicion may be DLine. Hoping it's a CB tho, jones or collins.

OldSchool · 04-23-2015, 05:58 PM

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...pects-to-teams

Mayock doesn't link us to Erving specifically but he does link us to two OL players, Flowers and Collins.

**The Bad Guy** · 04-23-2015, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

They've been shopping for centers all free agency, have they not.

They brought one in for a visit, Barnes. They were mentioned as being interested in Wisnewski, but you classify that as shopping?

Horrendous pick at 18. Probably the worst I could imagine on draft night.

**RealSNR** · 04-24-2015, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...pects-to-teams

Mayock doesn't link us to Erving specifically but he does link us to two OL players, Flowers and Collins.

Would take Collins. Only fatty I'm interested in that high

BlackHelicopters · 04-24-2015, 07:46 AM

Now I can sleep.

DJ's left nut · 12-09-2015, 01:39 PM

So Cameron Erving has been benched in the middle of a 2-10 season.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde...hing_rook.html

This was a terrible, terrible idea.

CleveSteve · 12-10-2015, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So Cameron Erving has been benched in the middle of a 2-10 season.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde...hing_rook.html

This was a terrible, terrible idea.

He's been getting his ass kicked in pass pro, which I don't understand. He's looked really good in the run game but is letting guys get in his pads and getting leverage on him. I guess maybe that's a risk when you take a guy with tackle size and move him inside to block shorter stronger DTs. Gonna be a while with him. Oh well.

04-17-2015, 02:31 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4383447	My Official Endorsement of the #18 Overall Pick I've spent a shit ton of time thinking about it, might as well do it. 2014: WR Brandin Cooks, Oregon State 2013: QB Geno Smith, West Virginia 2012: OLB Whitney Mercilus, Illinois 2011: OLB Justin Houston, Georgia 2010: QB Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame My official endorsement in 2015 is center Cam Erving, of Florida State. Why not a WR: I don't anticipate that the three WRs I'd love (Cooper, White, Parker) will be available. I'm not a huge fan of DGB, and I have doubts in Perryman and Dorsett. I like the WR depth in this draft, especially on the 2nd day of the draft, and I'd prefer the Chiefs wait until then (or even better, trade down). Why not a CB?: I believe that no player fits what John Dorsey wants in a draft pick more than Trae Waynes, but Waynes is likely a Top Ten pick. I think it's highly likely Dorsey selects Collins in the first round, but I have doubts there. Kevin Johnson is one of my favorite players in this draft but it's unclear to me if he's a schematic fit. And the character questions on Marcus Peters are too potentially severe to ignore. (Although, if the Chiefs select Peters, I'd trust Dorsey's judgement 100% since his resources are obviously drastically superior to mine, which don't exist.) Why not an OT? I don't think tackle is a serious need for this team in 2015. Fisher should become a league average LT at least, and the team is basically married to him. We've got Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson for RT, both of whom should be fine enough there, and I don't like burning first rounders on RTs anyway. Besides, Cam Erving can play tackle. Why not a passrusher? Everybody is jonesing really hard for Dupree right now, and justly so, but he will likely be gone before our selection. Simply put, the Chiefs must sign Justin Houston. If they cannot sign him, than they need to land two 1sts for him and my assessment here would change. Why not an ILB? There are no ILBs in this draft that I like at #18. My favorite is Denzel Perryman, and there's a chance he lasts to our 2nd rounder. Why Erving? 1. Erving hails from the best center factory in the country -- a factory that has churned out Rodney Hudson himself and Bryan Stork, who's surprised me by manning the center position capably for the Super Bowl champions. 2. Erving possesses all the characteristics that make centers successful. He's got long arms, fantastic pulling ability, great strength, and positional flexibility. His arrow is pointing dramatically upward, and like Hudson, you can expect him to be at an All Pro level within a couple seasons' playing time. 3. A great line, as the Cowboys and 49ers has shown, relieves pressure on the rest of the offense. Smith will have more time to diagnose, and Charles will have a longer career. 4. The Chiefs, for all their bluster, have exhibited little faith in Eric Kush, making center the most obvious hole on our roster. The question is not "who is the best player," the question is "who will improve the team that most in the short- and long-term. To me, that answer is Cam Erving. Barring, of course, that the Houston situation is hopeless. In which case, I reserve the right to alter this endorsement.
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04-22-2015, 09:09 AM	#78
Couch-Potato MVP Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $3263065	So I'm not totally against Erving, and I'd probably agree he's the safe pick. But just think, 3 yrs down the road Chiefs fans are going to be screaming "why the hell didn't we take _____ in the 2015 draft!?" How many star WRs are going to be picked after us at #18? How many beastly front seven defenders? and lock down DBs? ...point is, even if there are only 2 or 3 legit stars taken after #18, Erving as a Center will never be one of them. Does that really make him BPA? BPA > Filling holes is Dorsey's philosophy
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04-23-2015, 05:58 PM	#80
OldSchool MVP Join Date: Sep 2013 Casino cash: $10035212	http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...pects-to-teams Mayock doesn't link us to Erving specifically but he does link us to two OL players, Flowers and Collins.
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