My Official Endorsement of the #18 Overall Pick - Page 4

Direckshun · 04-17-2015, 02:31 PM

I've spent a shit ton of time thinking about it, might as well do it.

2014: WR Brandin Cooks, Oregon State
2013: QB Geno Smith, West Virginia
2012: OLB Whitney Mercilus, Illinois
2011: OLB Justin Houston, Georgia
2010: QB Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame

My official endorsement in 2015 is center Cam Erving, of Florida State.

Why not a WR: I don't anticipate that the three WRs I'd love (Cooper, White, Parker) will be available. I'm not a huge fan of DGB, and I have doubts in Perryman and Dorsett. I like the WR depth in this draft, especially on the 2nd day of the draft, and I'd prefer the Chiefs wait until then (or even better, trade down).

Why not a CB?: I believe that no player fits what John Dorsey wants in a draft pick more than Trae Waynes, but Waynes is likely a Top Ten pick. I think it's highly likely Dorsey selects Collins in the first round, but I have doubts there. Kevin Johnson is one of my favorite players in this draft but it's unclear to me if he's a schematic fit. And the character questions on Marcus Peters are too potentially severe to ignore. (Although, if the Chiefs select Peters, I'd trust Dorsey's judgement 100% since his resources are obviously drastically superior to mine, which don't exist.)

Why not an OT? I don't think tackle is a serious need for this team in 2015. Fisher should become a league average LT at least, and the team is basically married to him. We've got Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson for RT, both of whom should be fine enough there, and I don't like burning first rounders on RTs anyway. Besides, Cam Erving can play tackle.

Why not a passrusher? Everybody is jonesing really hard for Dupree right now, and justly so, but he will likely be gone before our selection. Simply put, the Chiefs must sign Justin Houston. If they cannot sign him, than they need to land two 1sts for him and my assessment here would change.

Why not an ILB? There are no ILBs in this draft that I like at #18. My favorite is Denzel Perryman, and there's a chance he lasts to our 2nd rounder.

Why Erving?

1. Erving hails from the best center factory in the country -- a factory that has churned out Rodney Hudson himself and Bryan Stork, who's surprised me by manning the center position capably for the Super Bowl champions.

2. Erving possesses all the characteristics that make centers successful. He's got long arms, fantastic pulling ability, great strength, and positional flexibility. His arrow is pointing dramatically upward, and like Hudson, you can expect him to be at an All Pro level within a couple seasons' playing time.

3. A great line, as the Cowboys and 49ers has shown, relieves pressure on the rest of the offense. Smith will have more time to diagnose, and Charles will have a longer career.

4. The Chiefs, for all their bluster, have exhibited little faith in Eric Kush, making center the most obvious hole on our roster.

The question is not "who is the best player," the question is "who will improve the team that most in the short- and long-term.

To me, that answer is Cam Erving.

Barring, of course, that the Houston situation is hopeless. In which case, I reserve the right to alter this endorsement.

Direckshun · 04-17-2015, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

By who other than you?

I'm not sure. He is a first round caliber OT who became the country's best center in two months. He's got prototypical size and athleticism with 34" arms.

He's a rare "safe pick" with ridiculous upside. He's probably my favorite center prospect since Mack, and probably moreso due to his upside.

**RealSNR** · 04-17-2015, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Same team with the same talent and the same personnel.

If you're saying the Steelers aren't a championship team than I don't know what to tell you.

What? The Steelers won their last Super Bowl two years before they drafted Pouncey, and DeCastro two years after that.

So no. They're not a championship team, because they haven't won a ****ing Super Bowl since they drafted those two players. You have to win a Super Bowl to be a championship team. "Championship" meaning you've won a championship.

**RealSNR** · 04-17-2015, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

That's my ****ing point, dingus. McGlynn and Fulton were hot trash and Kush STILL didn't see the field.

Reid started McGlynn for 12 games. There were better offensive linemen sitting at home watching porn all day because they had nothing better to do after they got cut from NFL teams.

It's a fallacy to take coach decisions from the previous year to predict the future. Coaches do weird and unpredictable things all the time. Sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't.

The Chiefs knew about Hudson's contract when he refused an extension during the season. They let him walk and have brought in ZERO bodies in free agency. What does that tell you about Kush? That they think he's worthless, or that they want to give him a shot?

Direckshun · 04-17-2015, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

What? The Steelers won their last Super Bowl two years before they drafted Pouncey, and DeCastro two years after that.

So no. They're not a championship team, because they haven't won a ****ing Super Bowl since they drafted those two players. You have to win a Super Bowl to be a championship team. "Championship" meaning you've won a championship.

You'd agree that the personnel difference is/was minimal between those teams.

Direckshun · 04-17-2015, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Reid started McGlynn for 12 games. There were better offensive linemen sitting at home watching porn all day because they had nothing better to do after they got cut from NFL teams.

It's a fallacy to take coach decisions from the previous year to predict the future. Coaches do weird and unpredictable things all the time. Sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't.

The Chiefs knew about Hudson's contract when he refused an extension during the season. They let him walk and have brought in ZERO bodies in free agency. What does that tell you about Kush? That they think he's worthless, or that they want to give him a shot?

They've been shopping for centers all free agency, have they not.

**RealSNR** · 04-17-2015, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

You'd agree that the personnel difference is/was minimal between those teams.

Between the 2010 team that lost to the Packers in the Super Bowl when Pouncey was a rookie and the last championship team? Yes.

Since then? No.

**RealSNR** · 04-17-2015, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

They've been shopping for centers all free agency, have they not.

Yes they have. Cheap guys. What's-his-ass from the Rams is the only one I can name, though. And the fact that he didn't sign with us seems to say that we're not willing to pay that much for the position.

Doesn't seem like the behavior of a team desperate to fill a hole, does it?

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-17-2015, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

The Chiefs knew about Hudson's contract when he refused an extension during the season. They let him walk and have brought in ZERO bodies in free agency. What does that tell you about Kush? That they think he's worthless, or that they want to give him a shot?

It's my impression that FO/Coaching staff have a slight ego about the development of their " home grown" players in which they believe that they can develop such projects to succeed. A big reason why they released every mother****ing Interior OL that was an FA or drafted by Pioli. Ooh yeah Maclin is considered as home grown player to Reid so disregard his signing as an hired gun.

**RealSNR** · 04-17-2015, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

It's my impression that FO/Coaching staff have a slight ego about the development of their " home grown" players in which they believe that they can develop such projects to succeed. A big reason why they released every mother****ing Interior OL that was an FA or drafted by Pioli. Ooh yeah Maclin is considered as home grown player to Reid so disregard his signing as an hired gun.

Asamoah was a ****ing turd. They were right to let him walk.

I really liked Schwartz and wanted us to pay him, but the team had other plans.

And Albert... well, we know how I feel about Albert.

Hudson wasn't worth 9 million. Good move there.

So far they've made the right move about half the time, with one of those times (the Fisher-for-Albert switcheroo) being a huge abortion.

kcbubb · 04-17-2015, 11:36 PM

Respect for posting this bc you aren't trolling and you knew everyone would hate Erving. I'd rather have a CB but I understand your logic. A trade back would be better with a team looking for Gurley or Dupree if you want Erving but I understand you are assuming that can't happen right? Where do you think Erving goes if we don't pick him? Which team? Who else needs a center?

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-17-2015, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Asamoah was a ****ing turd. They were right to let him walk.

I really liked Schwartz and wanted us to pay him, but the team had other plans.

And Albert... well, we know how I feel about Albert.

Hudson wasn't worth 9 million. Good move there.

So far they've made the right move about half the time, with one of those times (the Fisher-for-Albert switcheroo) being a huge abortion.

If KC drafts Dupree/Gregory with what's occurring with Houston, besides the monetary issue the ego sentiment that I'm suspicious of could be vindicated.

If Clark wants him to be " A Chief for Life" per Clark, but at the same time if Dorsey and Reid drafts a prospect that prove otherwise then I'm just sayin there is partial credence to that notion.

Direckshun · 04-18-2015, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Yes they have. Cheap guys. What's-his-ass from the Rams is the only one I can name, though. And the fact that he didn't sign with us seems to say that we're not willing to pay that much for the position.

Doesn't seem like the behavior of a team desperate to fill a hole, does it?

Seems like the behavior of a team with no cap space.

Chief Roundup · 04-18-2015, 08:12 AM

Thank god your endorsement doesn't mean jack.
We will not be taking a C at #18.

milkman · 04-18-2015, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

You just don't hear about teams doing it with centers. Maybe if the center in the draft is good value and the prospect has a Geno Smith-sized schlong that serves as an extra limb in fighting off defensive linemen at the snap. Then sure, why not.

Cam Erving is average, and you're having your period about a ****ing C that is no longer on the team.

Tell me, when we let Dexter McCluster walk in free agency last year, did you say, "UH OH. BIG ****ING HOLE IN THE ROSTER COMING UP. DRAFT A RETURNER IN THE 1ST ROUND, DORSEY!"

The fact that you're doing it over Rodney Hudson's departure is entirely laughable.

And **** you, milkman. Yes, I'm saying **** you pre-emptively, but I ****ing KNOW that if you read this, you'll immediately post some wise ancient Chinese adage about C being the most underrated position on the offensive line.

**** that. If you're so goddamn worried, then go sign a veteran like Brian de la Puente for chump change compared to Rodney Hudson. Cam Erving isn't going to be as good as Hudson for at least a few years anyway, and that's if he ever DOES become as good as Hudson is now. It's worthless to say, "UHOH WE'VE GOT A BIG HOLE IN THE OFFENSIVE LINE!" and then plug it immediately with a ****ing rookie who will get his shit pushed in all year and make Alex Smith's job just as difficult as if Eric Kush were starting.

Actually, he'll probably be worse. At least Eric Kush has NFL experience and NFL strength. We just don't know if he's a good player or not yet, that's all. With Cam Erving, the potential might be greater, but we're also dealing with more unknowns in the short term. And that's with our ****ing 1st round pick that we're jizzing away.

**** Cam Erving. **** you. **** your house. **** your car.

If the ancient Chinese were espousing the belief that centers would be under valued, they were not only wise, they were prescient.

How can you ignore that?

milkman · 04-18-2015, 11:09 AM

Seriously, though, I am not endorsing the pick.

I just wouldn't hate it to the degree that most of you dumbasses do.

04-17-2015, 02:31 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4373447	My Official Endorsement of the #18 Overall Pick I've spent a shit ton of time thinking about it, might as well do it. 2014: WR Brandin Cooks, Oregon State 2013: QB Geno Smith, West Virginia 2012: OLB Whitney Mercilus, Illinois 2011: OLB Justin Houston, Georgia 2010: QB Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame My official endorsement in 2015 is center Cam Erving, of Florida State. Why not a WR: I don't anticipate that the three WRs I'd love (Cooper, White, Parker) will be available. I'm not a huge fan of DGB, and I have doubts in Perryman and Dorsett. I like the WR depth in this draft, especially on the 2nd day of the draft, and I'd prefer the Chiefs wait until then (or even better, trade down). Why not a CB?: I believe that no player fits what John Dorsey wants in a draft pick more than Trae Waynes, but Waynes is likely a Top Ten pick. I think it's highly likely Dorsey selects Collins in the first round, but I have doubts there. Kevin Johnson is one of my favorite players in this draft but it's unclear to me if he's a schematic fit. And the character questions on Marcus Peters are too potentially severe to ignore. (Although, if the Chiefs select Peters, I'd trust Dorsey's judgement 100% since his resources are obviously drastically superior to mine, which don't exist.) Why not an OT? I don't think tackle is a serious need for this team in 2015. Fisher should become a league average LT at least, and the team is basically married to him. We've got Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson for RT, both of whom should be fine enough there, and I don't like burning first rounders on RTs anyway. Besides, Cam Erving can play tackle. Why not a passrusher? Everybody is jonesing really hard for Dupree right now, and justly so, but he will likely be gone before our selection. Simply put, the Chiefs must sign Justin Houston. If they cannot sign him, than they need to land two 1sts for him and my assessment here would change. Why not an ILB? There are no ILBs in this draft that I like at #18. My favorite is Denzel Perryman, and there's a chance he lasts to our 2nd rounder. Why Erving? 1. Erving hails from the best center factory in the country -- a factory that has churned out Rodney Hudson himself and Bryan Stork, who's surprised me by manning the center position capably for the Super Bowl champions. 2. Erving possesses all the characteristics that make centers successful. He's got long arms, fantastic pulling ability, great strength, and positional flexibility. His arrow is pointing dramatically upward, and like Hudson, you can expect him to be at an All Pro level within a couple seasons' playing time. 3. A great line, as the Cowboys and 49ers has shown, relieves pressure on the rest of the offense. Smith will have more time to diagnose, and Charles will have a longer career. 4. The Chiefs, for all their bluster, have exhibited little faith in Eric Kush, making center the most obvious hole on our roster. The question is not "who is the best player," the question is "who will improve the team that most in the short- and long-term. To me, that answer is Cam Erving. Barring, of course, that the Houston situation is hopeless. In which case, I reserve the right to alter this endorsement.
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04-17-2015, 11:36 PM	#55
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $6096719	Respect for posting this bc you aren't trolling and you knew everyone would hate Erving. I'd rather have a CB but I understand your logic. A trade back would be better with a team looking for Gurley or Dupree if you want Erving but I understand you are assuming that can't happen right? Where do you think Erving goes if we don't pick him? Which team? Who else needs a center?
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04-18-2015, 11:09 AM	#60
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Seriously, though, I am not endorsing the pick. I just wouldn't hate it to the degree that most of you dumbasses do. __________________
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