My Official Endorsement of the #18 Overall Pick - Page 3

Direckshun · 04-17-2015, 02:31 PM

I've spent a shit ton of time thinking about it, might as well do it.

2014: WR Brandin Cooks, Oregon State
2013: QB Geno Smith, West Virginia
2012: OLB Whitney Mercilus, Illinois
2011: OLB Justin Houston, Georgia
2010: QB Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame

My official endorsement in 2015 is center Cam Erving, of Florida State.

Why not a WR: I don't anticipate that the three WRs I'd love (Cooper, White, Parker) will be available. I'm not a huge fan of DGB, and I have doubts in Perryman and Dorsett. I like the WR depth in this draft, especially on the 2nd day of the draft, and I'd prefer the Chiefs wait until then (or even better, trade down).

Why not a CB?: I believe that no player fits what John Dorsey wants in a draft pick more than Trae Waynes, but Waynes is likely a Top Ten pick. I think it's highly likely Dorsey selects Collins in the first round, but I have doubts there. Kevin Johnson is one of my favorite players in this draft but it's unclear to me if he's a schematic fit. And the character questions on Marcus Peters are too potentially severe to ignore. (Although, if the Chiefs select Peters, I'd trust Dorsey's judgement 100% since his resources are obviously drastically superior to mine, which don't exist.)

Why not an OT? I don't think tackle is a serious need for this team in 2015. Fisher should become a league average LT at least, and the team is basically married to him. We've got Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson for RT, both of whom should be fine enough there, and I don't like burning first rounders on RTs anyway. Besides, Cam Erving can play tackle.

Why not a passrusher? Everybody is jonesing really hard for Dupree right now, and justly so, but he will likely be gone before our selection. Simply put, the Chiefs must sign Justin Houston. If they cannot sign him, than they need to land two 1sts for him and my assessment here would change.

Why not an ILB? There are no ILBs in this draft that I like at #18. My favorite is Denzel Perryman, and there's a chance he lasts to our 2nd rounder.

Why Erving?

1. Erving hails from the best center factory in the country -- a factory that has churned out Rodney Hudson himself and Bryan Stork, who's surprised me by manning the center position capably for the Super Bowl champions.

2. Erving possesses all the characteristics that make centers successful. He's got long arms, fantastic pulling ability, great strength, and positional flexibility. His arrow is pointing dramatically upward, and like Hudson, you can expect him to be at an All Pro level within a couple seasons' playing time.

3. A great line, as the Cowboys and 49ers has shown, relieves pressure on the rest of the offense. Smith will have more time to diagnose, and Charles will have a longer career.

4. The Chiefs, for all their bluster, have exhibited little faith in Eric Kush, making center the most obvious hole on our roster.

The question is not "who is the best player," the question is "who will improve the team that most in the short- and long-term.

To me, that answer is Cam Erving.

Barring, of course, that the Houston situation is hopeless. In which case, I reserve the right to alter this endorsement.

Direckshun · 04-17-2015, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

You just don't hear about teams doing it with centers. Maybe if the center in the draft is good value and the prospect has a Geno Smith-sized schlong that serves as an extra limb in fighting off defensive linemen at the snap. Then sure, why not.

Cam Erving is average, and you're having your period about a ****ing C that is no longer on the team.

Tell me, when we let Dexter McCluster walk in free agency last year, did you say, "UH OH. BIG ****ING HOLE IN THE ROSTER COMING UP. DRAFT A RETURNER IN THE 1ST ROUND, DORSEY!"

The fact that you're doing it over Rodney Hudson's departure is entirely laughable.

And **** you, milkman. Yes, I'm saying **** you pre-emptively, but I ****ing KNOW that if you read this, you'll immediately post some wise ancient Chinese adage about C being the most underrated position on the offensive line.

**** that. If you're so goddamn worried, then go sign a veteran like Brian de la Puente for chump change compared to Rodney Hudson. Cam Erving isn't going to be as good as Hudson for at least a few years anyway, and that's if he ever DOES become as good as Hudson is now. It's worthless to say, "UHOH WE'VE GOT A BIG HOLE IN THE OFFENSIVE LINE!" and then plug it immediately with a ****ing rookie who will get his shit pushed in all year and make Alex Smith's job just as difficult as if Eric Kush were starting.

Actually, he'll probably be worse. At least Eric Kush has NFL experience and NFL strength. We just don't know if he's a good player or not yet, that's all. With Cam Erving, the potential might be greater, but we're also dealing with more unknowns in the short term. And that's with our ****ing 1st round pick that we're jizzing away.

**** Cam Erving. **** you. **** your house. **** your car.

I simply disagree that losing Hudson is like when we lost McCluster. It's closer to when we lost Albert.

staylor26 · 04-17-2015, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think it is a fundamental misunderstanding of the league we're talking about.

Using the draft to replace players who become too expensive for the team is standard operating procedure for a league with a salary cap.

Every ****ing team has to do it, and the Chiefs are no exception.

Yea, that's why we're going to draft a CB to replace Sean Smith next year after he leaves. Nobody is disagreeing with that, but a C just isn't ****ing worth the 18th pick.

It's not happening. I guarantee it. Kush will be our starting C and I'm completely ok with that.

**RealSNR** · 04-17-2015, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I simply disagree that losing Hudson is like when we lost McCluster. It's closer to when we lost Albert.

That's where the divide is, though.

Albert was a reasonably good LT. Hudson was a phenomenal C. And losing Albert has hurt us way more than losing Hudson will.

Drafting Erving is an overcompensating move, and Super Bowl teams simply don't make those kinds of moves. EVER.

Draft another C in the middle rounds for competition. Sure. I'm down with that. It worked out great for the Packers. But for ****'s sake, DON'T just say, "We have a need, there's a player who's pretty good but he's far from the BAA... eh, **** it. Draft him anyway."

staylor26 · 04-17-2015, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

That's where the divide is, though.

Albert was a reasonably good LT. Hudson was a phenomenal C. And losing Albert has hurt us way more than losing Hudson will.

Drafting Erving is an overcompensating move, and Super Bowl teams simply don't make those kinds of moves. EVER.

Draft another C in the middle rounds for competition. Sure. I'm down with that. It worked out great for the Packers. But for ****'s sake, DON'T just say, "We have a need, there's a player who's pretty good but he's far from the BAA... eh, **** it. Draft him anyway."

Direckshun · 04-17-2015, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Yea, that's why we're going to draft a CB to replace Sean Smith next year after he leaves. Nobody is disagreeing with that, but a C just isn't ****ing worth the 18th pick.

It's not happening. I guarantee it. Kush will be our starting C and I'm completely ok with that.

This is all just conclusions with no supporting reasoning.

Direckshun · 04-17-2015, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

That's where the divide is, though.

Albert was a reasonably good LT. Hudson was a phenomenal C. And losing Albert has hurt us way more than losing Hudson will.

Drafting Erving is an overcompensating move, and Super Bowl teams simply don't make those kinds of moves. EVER.

Draft another C in the middle rounds for competition. Sure. I'm down with that. It worked out great for the Packers. But for ****'s sake, DON'T just say, "We have a need, there's a player who's pretty good but he's far from the BAA... eh, **** it. Draft him anyway."

The Steelers won 2 SBs, and drafted Pouncey AND DeCastro. But I digress.

Losing Albert sacked hard because Fisher was an abortion last year.

Guess what will happen if we trot out Kush.

staylor26 · 04-17-2015, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

This is all just conclusions with no supporting reasoning.

No supported reasoning? Ok I'll elaborate. A C isn't worth taking at 18 overall when he's clearly not the BPA over a a player who can arguably be the BPA and plays a position of much more importance and value like CB or WR in this draft. If their were a C who graded out a top 20 pick in this draft i'd be more open minded about it, but there isn't and that's usually the case. It's simple.

**RealSNR** · 04-17-2015, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

The Steelers won 2 SBs, and drafted Pouncey AND DeCastro. But I digress.

Losing Albert sacked hard because Fisher was an abortion last year.

Guess what will happen if we trot out Kush.

You can't be serious. Those two weren't even on their most recent Super Bowl championship team

**RealSNR** · 04-17-2015, 10:59 PM

Guess what will happen if we trot out Erving as our starting center this year.

Mistakes will be made.

Guess what will happen if we trot out Kush as our starting center this year.

Mistakes will be made.

Here's all I care about: Avoiding a McGlynn-like abortion at C. That can be insured easily if we just sign some veteran to challenge Kush.

Badda bing badda bang. Problem ****ing solved.

Direckshun · 04-17-2015, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

No supported reasoning? Ok I'll elaborate. A C isn't worth taking at 18 overall when he's clearly not the BPA over a a player who can arguably be the BPA and plays a position of much more importance and value like CB or WR in this draft. If their were a C who graded out a top 20 pick in this draft i'd be more open minded about it, but there isn't and that's usually the case. It's simple.

You actually have a center that graded out in the top 20. Erving.

Direckshun · 04-17-2015, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

You can't be serious. Those two weren't even on their most recent Super Bowl championship team

Same team with the same talent and the same personnel.

If you're saying the Steelers aren't a championship team than I don't know what to tell you.

staylor26 · 04-17-2015, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

You actually have a center that graded out in the top 20. Erving.

By who other than you?

**RealSNR** · 04-17-2015, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

You actually have a center that graded out in the top 20. Erving.

The 2013 draft had two guards who graded out in the top 10.

That doesn't mean it was smart to pick them in the top 10.

Direckshun · 04-17-2015, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Guess what will happen if we trot out Erving as our starting center this year.

Mistakes will be made.

Guess what will happen if we trot out Kush as our starting center this year.

Mistakes will be made.

Here's all I care about: Avoiding a McGlynn-like abortion at C. That can be insured easily if we just sign some veteran to challenge Kush.

Badda bing badda bang. Problem ****ing solved.

That's my ****ing point, dingus. McGlynn and Fulton were hot trash and Kush STILL didn't see the field.

staylor26 · 04-17-2015, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

The 2013 draft had two guards who graded out in the top 10.

That doesn't mean it was smart to pick them in the top 10.

You're buying this shit that he's top 20? I haven't seen one analyst I respect have him there.

The consensus (rightfully so) is this guy is a fringe 1st rounder. That's a reach at 18 when you include the fact that he's a ****ing C.

04-17-2015, 02:31 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4373447	My Official Endorsement of the #18 Overall Pick I've spent a shit ton of time thinking about it, might as well do it. 2014: WR Brandin Cooks, Oregon State 2013: QB Geno Smith, West Virginia 2012: OLB Whitney Mercilus, Illinois 2011: OLB Justin Houston, Georgia 2010: QB Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame My official endorsement in 2015 is center Cam Erving, of Florida State. Why not a WR: I don't anticipate that the three WRs I'd love (Cooper, White, Parker) will be available. I'm not a huge fan of DGB, and I have doubts in Perryman and Dorsett. I like the WR depth in this draft, especially on the 2nd day of the draft, and I'd prefer the Chiefs wait until then (or even better, trade down). Why not a CB?: I believe that no player fits what John Dorsey wants in a draft pick more than Trae Waynes, but Waynes is likely a Top Ten pick. I think it's highly likely Dorsey selects Collins in the first round, but I have doubts there. Kevin Johnson is one of my favorite players in this draft but it's unclear to me if he's a schematic fit. And the character questions on Marcus Peters are too potentially severe to ignore. (Although, if the Chiefs select Peters, I'd trust Dorsey's judgement 100% since his resources are obviously drastically superior to mine, which don't exist.) Why not an OT? I don't think tackle is a serious need for this team in 2015. Fisher should become a league average LT at least, and the team is basically married to him. We've got Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson for RT, both of whom should be fine enough there, and I don't like burning first rounders on RTs anyway. Besides, Cam Erving can play tackle. Why not a passrusher? Everybody is jonesing really hard for Dupree right now, and justly so, but he will likely be gone before our selection. Simply put, the Chiefs must sign Justin Houston. If they cannot sign him, than they need to land two 1sts for him and my assessment here would change. Why not an ILB? There are no ILBs in this draft that I like at #18. My favorite is Denzel Perryman, and there's a chance he lasts to our 2nd rounder. Why Erving? 1. Erving hails from the best center factory in the country -- a factory that has churned out Rodney Hudson himself and Bryan Stork, who's surprised me by manning the center position capably for the Super Bowl champions. 2. Erving possesses all the characteristics that make centers successful. He's got long arms, fantastic pulling ability, great strength, and positional flexibility. His arrow is pointing dramatically upward, and like Hudson, you can expect him to be at an All Pro level within a couple seasons' playing time. 3. A great line, as the Cowboys and 49ers has shown, relieves pressure on the rest of the offense. Smith will have more time to diagnose, and Charles will have a longer career. 4. The Chiefs, for all their bluster, have exhibited little faith in Eric Kush, making center the most obvious hole on our roster. The question is not "who is the best player," the question is "who will improve the team that most in the short- and long-term. To me, that answer is Cam Erving. Barring, of course, that the Houston situation is hopeless. In which case, I reserve the right to alter this endorsement.
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