The "IF no QB with the 1st pick" poll

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I'm playing this one pretty close to the chest

I'm still pro Wilson at 1. That has always been the plan!

I have been more of a Tyler Wilson guy than any other other available QB. I also dismiss his non-elite senior season as comparable to Dan Marino's. But two things cool me off a bit about him:

1- His head trauma history.

2- The recent revelation about his "small" hands. I wonder if he has fumbled the ball more than he should because of it. Is there a good study on that?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Frankie

I have been more of a Tyler Wilson guy than any other other available QB. I also dismiss his non-elite senior season as comparable to Dan Marino's. But two things cool me off a bit about him:

1- His head trauma history.

2- The recent revelation about his "small" hands. I wonder if he has fumbled the ball more than he should because of it. Is there a good study on that?

The hands could be a concern, but it has been posted here somewhere that Wilson has fewer fumbles in his college career than all, or most of the QBs in this class.

[HotCarl]

Being able to start this team back on the right track by inking a proven commodity at QB and selecting a brand new franchise LT (with no back problems) before making any other draft picks would be a great win for the team and the fans in Kansas City.

A team that was worse than an expansion team last year ought to look at what it takes to succeed in the NFL and think about it.

Alex Smith is a first round quarterback. He's never had a rating below 80 the last 4 years. Last year he was above 90, and this year about 100. He threw a grand total of 10 interceptions over the last 2 seasons.

Last year, with a good team around him, Alex Smith had his team 3 points away from the Super Bowl. Guys with this resume never become free agents in the NFL. Not when they are 28 years old.

And people here tell you to "kill yourself" when you suggest that this guy might be a safer bet than a rookie who couldn't win games in a major conference in college football.

We're supposed to believe that even though Alex Smith was a field goal away from the Super Bowl last year it doesn't mean anything. He's Matt Cassel. Geno Smith is the only way we'll ever get to the Super Bowl.

The groupthink has gone over the cliff. Logic and reason are beside the point here.

Well, this is why you're selling insurance and Dorsey/Reid are in the NFL, let's hope they get this right. We could be back in the wild card hunt sooner than later if they do.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by HotCarl

Being able to start this team back on the right track by inking a proven commodity at QB and selecting a brand new franchise LT (with no back problems) before making any other draft picks would be a great win for the team and the fans in Kansas City.

A team that was worse than an expansion team last year ought to look at what it takes to succeed in the NFL and think about it.

Alex Smith is a first round quarterback. He's never had a rating below 80 the last 4 years. Last year he was above 90, and this year about 100. He threw a grand total of 10 interceptions over the last 2 seasons.

Last year, with a good team around him, Alex Smith had his team 3 points away from the Super Bowl. Guys with this resume never become free agents in the NFL. Not when they are 28 years old.

And people here tell you to "kill yourself" when you suggest that this guy might be a safer bet than a rookie who couldn't win games in a major conference in college football.

We're supposed to believe that even though Alex Smith was a field goal away from the Super Bowl last year it doesn't mean anything. He's Matt Cassel. Geno Smith is the only way we'll ever get to the Super Bowl.

The groupthink has gone over the cliff. Logic and reason are beside the point here.

Well, this is why you're selling insurance and Dorsey/Reid are in the NFL, let's hope they get this right. We could be back in the wild card hunt sooner than later if they do.

Alex Smith against a good defense converted 1 of 13 3rd down opportunities when the team needed him to step up and make plays.

That 1 conversion was a meaningless conversion at the end of the first half.

You can go the safe route and take Alex Smith, and never have any hope of advancing to the SB.

But if that's the route that Reid and Dorsey choose to go, they can go **** themselves, and you.

[HotCarl]

Originally Posted by milkman

Alex Smith against a good defense converted 1 of 13 3rd down opportunities when the team needed him to step up and make plays.

That 1 conversion was a meaningless conversion at the end of the first half.

You can go the safe route and take Alex Smith, and never have any hope of advancing to the SB.

But if that's the route that Reid and Dorsey choose to go, they can go **** themselves, and you.

3 points away = no hope, ever. Got it.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by HotCarl

3 points away = no hope, ever. Got it.

3 points or 30 points.

Makes no difference.

Franchise QBs make plays gainst outstanding playmaking defenses when plays need to be made.

Game manangers don't.

[HotCarl]

Originally Posted by milkman

3 points or 30 points.

Makes no difference.

Franchise QBs make plays gainst outstanding playmaking defenses when plays need to be made.

Game manangers don't.

Does that argument apply to Geno Smith and his inability to win conference games after moving up to the Big 12, or his bowl game against Syracuse this year? Franchise QBs make plays when plays need to be made?

Maybe that means we should take Nassib, since he showed who was the franchise QB?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by HotCarl

Being able to start this team back on the right track by inking a proven commodity at QB and selecting a brand new franchise LT (with no back problems) before making any other draft picks would be a great win for the team and the fans in Kansas City.

A team that was worse than an expansion team last year ought to look at what it takes to succeed in the NFL and think about it.

Alex Smith is a first round quarterback. He's never had a rating below 80 the last 4 years. Last year he was above 90, and this year about 100. He threw a grand total of 10 interceptions over the last 2 seasons.

Last year, with a good team around him, Alex Smith had his team 3 points away from the Super Bowl. Guys with this resume never become free agents in the NFL. Not when they are 28 years old.

And people here tell you to "kill yourself" when you suggest that this guy might be a safer bet than a rookie who couldn't win games in a major conference in college football.

We're supposed to believe that even though Alex Smith was a field goal away from the Super Bowl last year it doesn't mean anything. He's Matt Cassel. Geno Smith is the only way we'll ever get to the Super Bowl.

The groupthink has gone over the cliff. Logic and reason are beside the point here.

Well, this is why you're selling insurance and Dorsey/Reid are in the NFL, let's hope they get this right. We could be back in the wild card hunt sooner than later if they do.

**** off troll

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by HotCarl

The groupthink has gone over the cliff. Logic and reason are beside the point here.

Nothing posted in this thread is more true than this. In fact, it ought to be a system-generated disclaimer attached to any thread in which Geno Smith is discussed.

[O.city]

Logic states that free agent qbs don't win SBS. Yet here we are discussing this again

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by O.city

Logic states that free agent qbs don't win SBS. Yet here we are discussing this again

You're talking about a team that has failed to win a PLAYOFF game in 20 years, yet making Super Bowl will be as easy as taking a QB #1 overall in a year when the best prospect would be a bottom first if not a second on most years, is the answer.

Again, the ****ing hyperbole is highest it's been in the history of Chiefsplanet.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're talking about a team that has failed to win a PLAYOFF game in 20 years, yet making Super Bowl will be as easy as taking a QB #1 overall in a year when the best prospect would be a bottom first if not a second on most years, is the answer.

Again, the ****ing hyperbole is highest it's been in the history of Chiefsplanet.

Last year's QB class has really ****ed the perception of this class.

Geno Smith in years prior to last year would easily be viewed as a top 10 pick.

His player rating on NFL.com is only 7 or 8 points below Luck's last year, and 3 or 4 below RGIII's.

He would have easily been the third QB off the board last year, ahead of Tannehill.

In most of the the prior years, he would have been the first or second.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're talking about a team that has failed to win a PLAYOFF game in 20 years, yet making Super Bowl will be as easy as taking a QB #1 overall in a year when the best prospect would be a bottom first if not a second on most years, is the answer.

Again, the ****ing hyperbole is highest it's been in the history of Chiefsplanet.

Trading for Matt Cassel was considered baby steps. Gotta walk before you can run. Gotta win a playoff game before you win a Super Bowl.

How about we stop with the small goals? How about if a guy can't be a Super Bowl-quality player, we don't acquire him? Let's do that instead of guys that can just be good enough for the playoffs. That's what we've been doing up to this point, and it hasn't worked.

Alex Smith can't/won't win a Super Bowl. Regardless of how good the Chiefs have been in the past, he's not worth our time or our money. Period.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SNR

Trading for Matt Cassel was considered baby steps. Gotta walk before you can run. Gotta win a playoff game before you win a Super Bowl.

How about we stop with the small goals? How about if a guy can't be a Super Bowl-quality player, we don't acquire him? Let's do that instead of guys that can just be good enough for the playoffs. That's what we've been doing up to this point, and it hasn't worked.

Alex Smith can't/won't win a Super Bowl. Regardless of how good the Chiefs have been in the past, he's not worth our time or our money. Period.

I hated the Cassel trade and don't want Alex Smith, even for a single year.

The issue I'm seeing is that there are many people convinced that G. Smith is a savior and should be acquired, regardless of whether or not he's worthy of being number #1 overall. And if he's not, Reid is a failure.

It's really quite bizarre.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I hated the Cassel trade and don't want Alex Smith, even for a single year.

The issue I'm seeing is that there are many people convinced that G. Smith is a savior and should be acquired, regardless of whether or not he's worthy of being number #1 overall. And if he's not, Reid is a failure.

It's really quite bizarre.

No, we see a talented QB with a lot of potential, and what should be easily fixed mechanical issues.

We also see an opportunity to take the best QB in his class, and understand there's some risk involved, but the potential reward is greater than the risk in this new CBA era.