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Old 01-31-2013, 01:50 PM   #1
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The last QB taken #1 overall to sit any games his rookie season was Eli Manning in 2004.

2004.

If you don't believe it would be a P.R. disaster for them to take a QB #1 and sit him for "a year or two", you're completely out of touch.

****, they're facing an uphill battle with the fanbase if they take a QB #1 overall over Joeckel! If they choose a QB and he sits for two years, the guy won't be able to show his face in KC area.

All you'll see and hear at the stadium and on the local talk radio will be "Bust" and "See, this is why you never take a QB in the first round. It's too risky".

No way that happens.
I really do love that two SoCal guys are arguing over the emotional climate of Kansas City, but let's not let that stop us.

2004 is - historically speaking - not that long ago. And the fact that the last QB to go 1.1 and sit has won TWO SUPER BOWLS only further enhances my point.

The year before, Carson Palmer went first overall and didn't play his rookie season.

A lot of QBs start their whole rookie season, and it can absolutely crush them.

Obviously, guys have to neither start nor sit their rookie season to be successful, so I don't buy into the theory that the Chiefs "absolutely" have to do one or the other.
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:57 PM   #2
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I really do love that two SoCal guys are arguing over the emotional climate of Kansas City, but let's not let that stop us.

2004 is - historically speaking - not that long ago. And the fact that the last QB to go 1.1 and sit has won TWO SUPER BOWLS only further enhances my point.

The year before, Carson Palmer went first overall and didn't play his rookie season.

A lot of QBs start their whole rookie season, and it can absolutely crush them.

Obviously, guys have to neither start nor sit their rookie season to be successful, so I don't buy into the theory that the Chiefs "absolutely" have to do one or the other.
When guys like Bradford, Cam Newton and Andrew Luck start from Day One and have successful if not amazing rookie seasons, people will question whether or not the Chiefs made the right decision by taking a QB #1 overall, especially in a "Weak Draft Class". And that's not to mention guys like Russell Wilson, RGIII, Weedon, etc. that started Day One.

I truly do not believe that Reid and Dorsey want to begin their era with a cloud of doubt hanging over their heads.

If they want a guy to develop, get him in the later rounds or next year. If the guy taken at #1 needs to be developed in order to get on the field, he never should have been taken at #1 overall.

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Old 01-31-2013, 02:01 PM   #3
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When guys like Bradford, Cam Newton and Andrew Luck start from Day One and have successful if not amazing rookie seasons, people will question whether or not the Chiefs made the right decision by taking a QB #1 overall, especially in a "Weak Draft Class". And that's not to mention guys like Russell Wilson, RGIII, Weedon, etc. that started Day One.

I truly do not believe that Reid and Dorsey want to begin their era with a cloud of doubt hanging over their heads.

If they want a guy to develop, get him in the later rounds or next year. If the guy taken at #1 needs to be developed in order to get on the field, he never should have been taken at #1 overall.

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Yeah, I just see it the other way around. I would be pissed if we took a QB in the 2nd or 3rd and had him sit behind a veteran free agent. This is probably what will happen, and I'll hate it.

The sheer joy of drafting a QB first overall would be more than enough to carry me through 2013, even if he sat. Besides, everyone knows the old "Start the dern rookie!" stuff is a tried and true tradition. It's just good theater.

I think the only real way for the Chiefs to completely turn the crowd against them is to either give up too much for Alex Smith or start Cassel again.

Otherwise, we will all talk ourselves into liking whatever they do. Well, not all of us, but a large portion, I imagine.
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Old 01-31-2013, 02:07 PM   #4
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Yeah, I just see it the other way around. I would be pissed if we took a QB in the 2nd or 3rd and had him sit behind a veteran free agent. This is probably what will happen, and I'll hate it.

The sheer joy of drafting a QB first overall would be more than enough to carry me through 2013, even if he sat. Besides, everyone knows the old "Start the dern rookie!" stuff is a tried and true tradition. It's just good theater.

I think the only real way for the Chiefs to completely turn the crowd against them is to either give up too much for Alex Smith or start Cassel again.

Otherwise, we will all talk ourselves into liking whatever they do. Well, not all of us, but a large portion, I imagine.
I cannot imagine that a year after going 2-14, banners, blackouts, the murder-suicide and firing of everyone at One Arrowhead Drive that the new regime would take a QB #1 overall and sit him in favor or Alex Smith or Matt Flynn or Matt Moore.

P.R. disaster.
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Old 01-31-2013, 05:00 PM   #5
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I cannot imagine that a year after going 2-14, banners, blackouts, the murder-suicide and firing of everyone at One Arrowhead Drive that the new regime would take a QB #1 overall and sit him in favor or Alex Smith or Matt Flynn or Matt Moore.

P.R. disaster.
Bingo.

And given that a large portion of the fanbase doesn't want a QB AT ALL, the outcry would be enormous.

"We could have had Joeckel!"
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Old 01-31-2013, 05:02 PM   #6
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Bingo.

And given that a large portion of the fanbase doesn't want a QB AT ALL, the outcry would be enormous.

"We could have had Joeckel!"
In the draft? I don't know if I believe this. Yeah, there are some ****tards on talk radio, but I'm not willing to ascribe the majority to these people just yet.
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Old 01-31-2013, 05:11 PM   #7
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In the draft? I don't know if I believe this. Yeah, that are some ****tards on talk radio, but I'm not willing to ascribe the majority to these people just yet.
High in the draft.

There's a metric shit ton of people out there on Facebook and Twitter than ABSOLUTELY think the best course of action for the Chiefs is:

Joeckel + Alex Smith (or Matt Flynn)

Most of the "****tards" on talk radio are 100% on-board with taking a QB 1-1, at least on the station I listen to.
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Bingo.

And given that a large portion of the fanbase doesn't want a QB AT ALL, the outcry would be enormous.

"We could have had Joeckel!"
After Geno rapes at his pro day and on Gruden's TV show, people in KC will want him.
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