Chiefs David Carr " Chiefs have higher upside with Mahomes" - Page 20

Deberg_1990 · 11-21-2017, 04:16 PM

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Yet, here we are looking at the same Kansas City Chiefs offense we've seen year after year.

The Chiefs have made three playoff appearances since Reid took over as head coach in 2013, losing once in the wild-card game (2013) and twice in the divisional round (2015, 2016). I'm a fan of Reid and quarterback Alex Smith, but with the way things are right now, they'll be sitting at home while Pittsburgh and New England duke it out on Championship Sunday.

I was Smith's teammate in San Francisco for one year (2010) and I got to know him well. When the weather starts playing a bigger factor in games late in the season, he's not a guy who can make tough throws in tough conditions. He's particular and wants the football a certain way. The colder the weather the firmer the ball and other conditions make the ball slippery. It's really hard to play in inclement weather as a quarterback, yet there are some guys -- like Brett Favre -- who could grab a ball out of a bucket of water or pile of mud and hurl it downfield. But everybody's not like that, including Smith. The conditions have to be right and the running game has to be there. As we've witnessed throughout his career, Smith isn't often going to transcend an offense and win a game on huge throws -- a frequent critique. He's just not that type of quarterback.

Early in the season, we saw Smith make those big plays and the Chiefs were rolling. We've seen downfield shots slowly digress as the season's gone on, a trend that goes back to at least the past two seasons. Since 2015, Smith has been far more effective throwing the ball down field (20-pus air yards) through the Chiefs' first eight games than he has in their final eight, completing more passes (42.1 percent vs. 36.7 percent) with a better TD-to-INT ratio (8:0 vs. 2:4) and a significantly higher passer rating (124.3 vs. 63.1).

Furthermore, since Smith's first year with the Chiefs in 2013, his passer rating on pass attempts of more than 20 yards has fallen off in the second half of the season.

September: 92.0
October: 111.1
November: 63.5
Dec.-Jan.: 68.8

The Chiefs' high-flying offense started to stall after the Steelers exposed a weakness in Week 6. Pittsburgh played more zone coverage and allowed them to throw the ball underneath by respecting the ability of Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce to make things happen downfield. In addition, the run game hasn't been as effective the last five games (the Chiefs are 1-4 in that stretch), averaging 81 rush yards per game. That's 70 yards per game fewer than Kansas City put up in its first five games (all wins). In my opinion, Smith needs the run game to improve or we'll likely see him continue to struggle throwing the ball downfield as this season progresses.

I know this sounds crazy, but there's a case for Patrick Mahomes, who played well in the preseason, to start in place of Smith as the playoffs near. The Chiefs gave up a third-rounder and next year's first to draft Mahomes, viewing him as their franchise quarterback of the future. He's a gunslinger who adds another dimension in the pass game when a) the weather worsens, and b) they're trying to go head to head with the AFC's best offenses.

It's definitely possible the Chiefs could find themselves in a Nathan Peterman situation, especially if they don't handle the timing of the switch well. We don't know. What I do know, though, is we can expect the same ending to the Chiefs' story if they don't change up their cast of characters.

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penchief · 11-24-2017, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

He is playing really bad right now but he can do those things you mentioned. All you have to do is look at that at that Colts-playoff game, 49ers-Saints playoff-gm, Patriots blowout gm, Patriots-Chiefs gm this year etc... We will have to wait and see how the rest of the season goes but I am hoping he plays well the rest of the way. We all should be hoping that even if you don't think it is going to happen..

You are cherry picking both my comments and his career. I said that the really good quarterbacks do those things consistently. Even bad quarterbacks have good or even great games every once in a while.

The fact that you can pick out maybe a half dozen games over a thirteen year career as a starter says all that needs to be said. He does not have the traits to do it consistently. You would be doing yourself a favor to accept that reality and not let your affection for Smitty cloud your objectivity any longer.

OKchiefs · 11-24-2017, 02:56 PM

I just had an interesting thought. We've all seen Juju Schuster Smith having a good rookie season with Pittsburgh. We could have taken him, but with Alex at QB there is no way he'd be having the same success. He'd probably be buried on the bench. It will be refreshing to finally have a quarterback who will hopefully utilize his wide receivers.

Pablo · 11-24-2017, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

I just had an interesting thought. We've all seen Juju Schuster Smith having a good rookie season with Pittsburgh. We could have taken him, but with Alex at QB there is no way he'd be having the same success. He'd probably be buried on the bench. It will be refreshing to finally have a quarterback who will hopefully utilize his wide receivers.

Watch Demarcus Robinson blow the **** up. I think that guy is gonna be fun as shit to watch with Pat.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-24-2017, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

Watch Demarcus Robinson blow the **** up. I think that guy is gonna be fun as shit to watch with Pat.

If the preseason was any indication.... you're damn right.

dls6501 · 11-24-2017, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

Watch Demarcus Robinson blow the **** up. I think that guy is gonna be fun as shit to watch with Pat.

He will. Robinson would have had at least, yes at least, 2 touchdowns against Pittsburgh. He probably would have 4 or 5 on the season now if he was targeted when he was wide open.

NJChiefsFan · 11-24-2017, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Is PAChiefsguy Penbrook?

I hope to hell there aren't 2 people that stupid on the planet.

I've thought about that a few times. Penbrook does go back and forth on his emotions where this pachiefsguy mult is hard fast. Could be penbrook trolling but based on his disappearance the past month I think he is too emotionally invested to only be sticking with a mult. I think penbrook is just sad by the current run of games.

rico · 11-24-2017, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

Watch Demarcus Robinson blow the **** up. I think that guy is gonna be fun as shit to watch with Pat.

This.

milkman · 11-25-2017, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

I never seriously threatened anyone. You guys are the ones that throw a hissy fit anytime someone doesn't agree with your Smitty opinions. You insult people, tell them kill themselves, I had a guy say I was lucky he didn't drive to PA to beat my ass yesterday, wish injury on Smitty, Neg them for simply not agreeing with you. Call them 'Alex only fans' etc

So don't give me that BS about like I can't deal with someone disagreeing with me. It is kind of obvious you all want this to be a forum where everyone has the same opinion. It's ridiculous.

It's not my fault Alex Smith is the QB of the Chiefs guys. It's not my fault Mahomes is not starting. I didn't trade for Alex. Reid/Dorsey did. As much crap as you give me on here why don't you direct your anger towards the guy who actually brought him here and signed him to an extension? You know the HOF HC who knows more about the QB position than you fantasy football experts ever will or could ever hope to.

And if you hate Alex Smith so much, then don't watch the games. Do something else with your life. My goodness it is pathetic to listen to all this whining on here all the time.

He is playing really bad right now but he can do those things you mentioned. All you have to do is look at that at that Colts-playoff game, 49ers-Saints playoff-gm, Patriots blowout gm, Patriots-Chiefs gm this year etc... We will have to wait and see how the rest of the season goes but I am hoping he plays well the rest of the way. We all should be hoping that even if you don't think it is going to happen..

I wouldn't give a rat's ass if Reid invented the god damn QB position.
He was ****ing wrong about Alex Smith.

He traded for him because he thought he could fix him.
He was wrong, and the fact that the Chiefs invested so much draft capital into Mahomes is this team admitting that he was wrong.

And the reason Alex Smith sucks is because he's shown that he's capable of being so much better with those games that you mention.

He sucks, not because he's a terrible QB.
He sucks because he is too much of a pussy to play to his potential.

PAChiefsGuy · 11-25-2017, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I wouldn't give a rat's ass if Reid invented the god damn QB position.
He was ****ing wrong about Alex Smith.

He traded for him because he thought he could fix him.
He was wrong, and the fact that the Chiefs invested so much draft capital into Mahomes is this team admitting that he was wrong.

And the reason Alex Smith sucks is because he's shown that he's capable of being so much better with those games that you mention.

He sucks, not because he's a terrible QB.
He sucks because he is too much of a pussy to play to his potential.

It must suck to hate the Chiefs starting QB as much as you do. How do you even enjoy the games? I wouldn't even watch if I hated him as much as you idiots do. I mean seriously, it is like Smitty is your worst enemy. It's so weird... Go to church or something, get that hate out of your heart brother..

ILChief · 11-25-2017, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

Watch Demarcus Robinson blow the **** up. I think that guy is gonna be fun as shit to watch with Pat.

This. Everyone (me included) gives Conley and Wilson, etc crap about not producing enough. I'm beginning to think that it's because smith never looks past the primary read (Kelce or Hill) before he bails by scrambling, throwing it away, or dumping it off to a running back

PAChiefsGuy · 11-25-2017, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

This. Everyone (me included) gives Conley and Wilson, etc crap about not producing enough. I'm beginning to think that it's because smith never looks past the primary read (Kelce or Hill) before he bails by scrambling, throwing it away, or dumping it off to a running back

Yep. As soon as Mahomes starts all the Chiefs WRs/TEs are going to magically turn into Pro Bowlers...

LOL!

Look I think Mahomes is going to the Chiefs to the next level but He is not going to magically make the Chiefs WRs something they are not.

MIAdragon · 11-25-2017, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Yep. As soon as Mahomes starts all the Chiefs WRs/TEs are going to magically turn into Pro Bowlers...

LOL!

Look I think Mahomes is going to the Chiefs to the next level but He is not going to magically make the Chiefs WRs something they are not.

The All 22 doesn't lie my friend.

PAChiefsGuy · 11-25-2017, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon

The All 22 doesn't lie my friend.

No it doesn't. Show the All 22 From His Good Games this season to be objective. He played like s**t. He keeps playing like that, bench him. I already said that but to do it now? That's stupid. He's a top NFL QB numbers wise for the season.

Should we bench Kareem Hunt too? Cause he is playing no better than Alex is right now.

rico · 11-25-2017, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

It must suck to hate the Chiefs starting QB as much as you do. How do you even enjoy the games? I wouldn't even watch if I hated him as much as you idiots do. I mean seriously, it is like Smitty is your worst enemy. It's so weird... Go to church or something, get that hate out of your heart brother..

Alex sucks.

And I watch the games because I am a Chiefs fan and not some Alex-only fan. I'm a fan of the team and what's best for the team because it's a team game...and this team isn't going to the promised land with Shitty. Ya see, the team is like a machine...and to the team, the QB is like the motor. Pretty difficult for a machine to run efficiently without a motor.

Uknowutimsayn, Squirrel Tits?

But that doesn't mean I can't still watch my favorite team and wait it out until we have a QB who could possibly get us there someday.

stevieray · 11-25-2017, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

He traded for him because he thought he could fix him.

link?

11-21-2017, 04:16 PM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3914454	David Carr " Chiefs have higher upside with Mahomes" The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Yet, here we are looking at the same Kansas City Chiefs offense we've seen year after year. The Chiefs have made three playoff appearances since Reid took over as head coach in 2013, losing once in the wild-card game (2013) and twice in the divisional round (2015, 2016). I'm a fan of Reid and quarterback Alex Smith, but with the way things are right now, they'll be sitting at home while Pittsburgh and New England duke it out on Championship Sunday. I was Smith's teammate in San Francisco for one year (2010) and I got to know him well. When the weather starts playing a bigger factor in games late in the season, he's not a guy who can make tough throws in tough conditions. He's particular and wants the football a certain way. The colder the weather the firmer the ball and other conditions make the ball slippery. It's really hard to play in inclement weather as a quarterback, yet there are some guys -- like Brett Favre -- who could grab a ball out of a bucket of water or pile of mud and hurl it downfield. But everybody's not like that, including Smith. The conditions have to be right and the running game has to be there. As we've witnessed throughout his career, Smith isn't often going to transcend an offense and win a game on huge throws -- a frequent critique. He's just not that type of quarterback. Early in the season, we saw Smith make those big plays and the Chiefs were rolling. We've seen downfield shots slowly digress as the season's gone on, a trend that goes back to at least the past two seasons. Since 2015, Smith has been far more effective throwing the ball down field (20-pus air yards) through the Chiefs' first eight games than he has in their final eight, completing more passes (42.1 percent vs. 36.7 percent) with a better TD-to-INT ratio (8:0 vs. 2:4) and a significantly higher passer rating (124.3 vs. 63.1). Furthermore, since Smith's first year with the Chiefs in 2013, his passer rating on pass attempts of more than 20 yards has fallen off in the second half of the season. September: 92.0 October: 111.1 November: 63.5 Dec.-Jan.: 68.8 The Chiefs' high-flying offense started to stall after the Steelers exposed a weakness in Week 6. Pittsburgh played more zone coverage and allowed them to throw the ball underneath by respecting the ability of Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce to make things happen downfield. In addition, the run game hasn't been as effective the last five games (the Chiefs are 1-4 in that stretch), averaging 81 rush yards per game. That's 70 yards per game fewer than Kansas City put up in its first five games (all wins). In my opinion, Smith needs the run game to improve or we'll likely see him continue to struggle throwing the ball downfield as this season progresses. I know this sounds crazy, but there's a case for Patrick Mahomes, who played well in the preseason, to start in place of Smith as the playoffs near. The Chiefs gave up a third-rounder and next year's first to draft Mahomes, viewing him as their franchise quarterback of the future. He's a gunslinger who adds another dimension in the pass game when a) the weather worsens, and b) they're trying to go head to head with the AFC's best offenses. It's definitely possible the Chiefs could find themselves in a Nathan Peterman situation, especially if they don't handle the timing of the switch well. We don't know. What I do know, though, is we can expect the same ending to the Chiefs' story if they don't change up their cast of characters. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...-limits-chiefs
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OKchiefs Black Bob's daddy Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: under the sun Casino cash: $1980400	I just had an interesting thought. We've all seen Juju Schuster Smith having a good rookie season with Pittsburgh. We could have taken him, but with Alex at QB there is no way he'd be having the same success. He'd probably be buried on the bench. It will be refreshing to finally have a quarterback who will hopefully utilize his wide receivers.
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