The Dark Knight Rises *Spoilers* Thread

[mdchiefsfan]

For anyone who has seen the movie and wants to discuss it.

[The Rick]

Originally Posted by Micjones

It's funny that people are more upset with the implausability of the Stock Exchange scene than they are Batman escaping a nuclear blast.

Or the fact that in the previous movie, there was a guy walking around with half a face.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by The Rick

Or the fact that in the previous movie, there was a guy walking around with half a face.

It's always the little things (comparatively) that people go ape shit over.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Silock

Fusion bombs aren't conventional nuclear blasts, nor were we supposed to believe he was on the Bat that blew up.

That's not true. We absolutely were to believe that, as we were given no evidence whatsoever to the contrary.

We learn that he wasn't on it in the closing montage, but prior to that Luscious Fox scene in the montage the audience has no reason to suspect that Bruce lived.

[Silock]

Right. So at the end, it's given to us that he wasn't on it, thus explaining it just fine.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Micjones

It's always the little things (comparatively) that people go ape shit over.

The demise of the main villain isn't a little thing.

It was poorly scripted.

[-King-]

I do think Banes death should have been a little more epic. Him getting blindsided like that was kind of cheap.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

I also have a qualm with this. That scene in the beginning where Alfred talks about his daydream during Bruce's 7-year vacation from Gotham, in which he imagined seeing Wayne with a family, etc.? That scene was retroactively ruined by the TWIST! in the ending montage.

So much of TDKR has moments that you think are good character moments but later you realize that the only purpose they served in the film was to swerve the audience, to set up a patented Nolan TWIST!

Who said there was a twist?

[patteeu]

Was the Arab swordsman's death in the first Indiana Jones movie cheap because it happened in a surprising and quick way? This was the same type of unexpected and abrupt ending for a bad guy. And Bane wasn't the main villain as it turned out. Talia was.

[Hammock Parties]

The Arab swordsman was on screen for 10 seconds. His death was a joke, and it was ad libbed.

And I don't care what you say, Bane was the main villain. He was the antagonist.

[Fire Me Boy!]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

The Arab swordsman was on screen for 10 seconds. His death was a joke, and it was ad libbed.

And I don't care what you say, Bane was the main villain. He was the antagonist.

Agreed. Talia was the one pulling the strings, but Bane was the only baddie throughout 90 percent of the film.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by -King-

I do think Banes death should have been a little more epic. Him getting blindsided like that was kind of cheap.

His death was immaterial; his defeat was what mattered.

Batman defeated him. And I disagree with the idea that the way it was done wasn't 'batmanish' enough. Wayne learned in prison that Bane's mask kept the pain at bay. He made a clear, concerted effort to attack that mask. In so doing, he got Bane to 'fight like a younger man' himself, as Bane mocked Batman for doing in the prior fight.

I liked the way that scene played out. And I liked the unexpected and ignominious way he was dispatched once it was clear he was no more than a pawn in the whole thing.

He was taken from an unbeateable genius super-thug to a defeated sidekick in the span of 5 minutes; then unceremoniously blown to hell by another sidekick. I liked how Nolan was casually dismissive of him at that point.

How he died was ultimately irrelevant after he was decisively handled up to it.

[lcarus]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

His death was immaterial; his defeat was what mattered.

Batman defeated him. And I disagree with the idea that the way it was done wasn't 'batmanish' enough. Wayne learned in prison that Bane's mask kept the pain at bay. He made a clear, concerted effort to attack that mask. In so doing, he got Bane to 'fight like a younger man' himself, as Bane mocked Batman for doing in the prior fight.

I liked the way that scene played out. And I liked the unexpected and ignominious way he was dispatched once it was clear he was no more than a pawn in the whole thing.

He was taken from an unbeateable genius super-thug to a defeated sidekick in the span of 5 minutes; then unceremoniously blown to hell by another sidekick. I liked how Nolan was casually dismissive of him at that point.

How he died was ultimately irrelevant after he was decisively handled up to it.

I agree. Once Batman started going at that mask, he suddenly wasn't so invincible anymore.

[CoMoChief]

The way Bane died was just half-assed IMO.

Would have been more kickass if Batman ripped it (Bane's mask) off and beat the crap out of him.

Instead, Catbitch blew him away with the bike. (lame)

[DJ's left nut]

Eh, to each their own.

Batman ripping a mask off a villain he clearly already defeated doesn't do much for me. Instead you got the 'trust' element that has been mentioned, as well as just a casual bludgeoning of an emasculated bad guy and an unquestioned jarring feeling when the dude took a damn missile to the ribs.

I thought it was badass in its own right.

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Eh, to each their own.

Batman ripping a mask off a villain he clearly already defeated doesn't do much for me. Instead you got the 'trust' element that has been mentioned, as well as just a casual bludgeoning of an emasculated bad guy and an unquestioned jarring feeling when the dude took a damn missile to the ribs.

I thought it was badass in its own right.

Absolutely. Batman had proven his point and was taken out by a betrayal. Selina rewarding his trust was a great way to turn the tide. It also was yet another great illustration of how Catwoman and Batman are very different depite both being basically heroic.