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Old 08-28-2017, 11:12 AM  
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Chiefs trade for LB Reggie Ragland
Chiefs have acquired LB Reggie Ragland from the Bills in a trade.

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Old 08-28-2017, 01:42 PM   #106
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It's a conditional pick? Thought I read it was a 4th
This is accurate.
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Old 08-28-2017, 01:43 PM   #107
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It's a conditional pick? Thought I read it was a 4th
"The Bills announced Monday that they received a conditional fourth-round pick in the 2019 draft for Ragland, who missed his entire rookie season in 2016 after suffering a torn ACL in his left knee during training camp."

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...as-city-chiefs
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Old 08-28-2017, 01:43 PM   #108
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He strikes me as more of a Kendall Beckwith or maybe Raekwon McMillan type.
This is also accurate.

However, he does have the skillset for three-down flexibility.
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Old 08-28-2017, 01:47 PM   #109
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'Can't' would be strong.

'hasn't' seems fair. Alabama just generally doesn't ask it of their LBs so you're going largely based on skill-set and hoping you can teach the nuance/instincts required of the position.

Until I see it done, I'd have a hard time taking it on faith. I think he has some decent tools but he isn't that kind of freak natural athlete that DJ was (or Foster, IMO). He strikes me as more of a Kendall Beckwith or maybe Raekwon McMillan type.

To some degree we're just a bit spoiled by DJ so I may be asking more of him than is truly fair. Not many LBs are natural in coverage and we just happen to have one of them. So trying to find another one like him is like trying to find another Tony Gonzalez who can catch AND block. We got lucky and managed to do exactly that with Kelce but that's not a common thing.
True and Foster has looked awesome this far. But I just wonder how much we actually ask of our ILB in this scheme to cover. I mean, maybe they do an I've missed it but I can't tell you the last time I've seen an ILB have to carry a tight end down the middle etc.

It seems they're basically hook some cover guys or at least that's all they ask DJ to do. Maybe there's a reason for that.
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Old 08-28-2017, 01:49 PM   #110
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I'd just like to see them have 2 3 down ILB guys that can stay on the field in nickel and actually cover
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Old 08-28-2017, 01:58 PM   #111
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True and Foster has looked awesome this far. But I just wonder how much we actually ask of our ILB in this scheme to cover. I mean, maybe they do an I've missed it but I can't tell you the last time I've seen an ILB have to carry a tight end down the middle etc.

It seems they're basically hook some cover guys or at least that's all they ask DJ to do. Maybe there's a reason for that.
Whenever DJ goes down and Wilson is asked to step into his shoes, the middle of our pass defense seems to fall to shit. I don't think that's coincidence.

It's not the old 'cover the TE' saw that we've been throwing at safeties and LBs for as long as I've been on this board. It's simple drop zones and a feel for depth of drop or just that innate understanding of when to cheat in a zone or pick up someone on a route rather than drop him off.
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Old 08-28-2017, 01:59 PM   #112
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I'd just like to see them have 2 3 down ILB guys that can stay on the field in nickel and actually cover
Why? One of them comes off the field for the NCB anyway. In 3rd down, clear passing situations it really doens't matter much. As for downs 1 and 2, I guess it wouldn't hurt to see upgrades there, but that's still just technically a '2 down' linebacker.

Moreover, it's a little greedy. Most teams would kill to have one of those guys - asking for 2 seems a little unreasonable.
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Old 08-28-2017, 02:01 PM   #113
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Anyone know the details of the conditional 4th round pick? Does it mean it's a 4th at the minimum and raises depending on the play of Ragland?
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Why? One of them comes off the field for the NCB anyway. In 3rd down, clear passing situations it really doens't matter much. As for downs 1 and 2, I guess it wouldn't hurt to see upgrades there, but that's still just technically a '2 down' linebacker.

Moreover, it's a little greedy. Most teams would kill to have one of those guys - asking for 2 seems a little unreasonable.
I just think the versatility is a huge value. The 9ersd of Harbaugh era was so dominant because they could stay in the base and stop the run and pass. Same with the 2 in Carolina.

Of course it could be that I'm just traumatized from watching leveon pick his was for 200 against them last year that I'm over selling it.
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Still can't get over how good of a move this was. A 2019 4th rd pick for a 1st rd pick that fell due to a heart issue and knows our system.

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Anyone know the details of the conditional 4th round pick? Does it mean it's a 4th at the minimum and raises depending on the play of Ragland?
Conditionals are usually quoted as the highest. So, a 4th is the HIGHEST they would get for Ragland.

Conditional could be based on passing a medical, or being on our roster on a certain date, or on playing time. We really won't know the details for a while I would think.
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KC's got as good a trainers' room as anybody in the league.

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Based on what? I don't pretend to know what teams are good and what teams aren't but our handling of injuries hasn't been smooth at all recently. That's all I have to go on but I guess off-hand I wouldn't call them as good as anybody.
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Three picks for Ragland...

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/...land/83725552/

On the heels of selecting edge rusher Shaq Lawson in the first round Thursday night, the Bills traded up eight slots in the second round Friday to make sure they could pick Alabama inside linebacker Reggie Ragland.

“We started this draft with the ACC defensive player of the year and we decided to back it up with the SEC player of the year,” an elated Bills general manager Doug Whaley said.

The Bills swapped second-round positions with the Chicago Bears (Buffalo was at 49, the Bears 41), and also gave the Bears one of their fourth-round picks in this draft (No. 117) and a fourth-rounder in 2017. However, Whaley said it was worth doing because Ragland was a player he claims the Bills would have taken in the first round if Lawson had been off the board.

“We would have taken him at 19, and lucky for us we found a trade partner in Chicago,” Whaley said. “We got two guys that we would have taken at 19.”
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