Andy Reid's incompetence

[Iconic]

FOUR DOWNS WITHIN THE RED ZONE, TWO MINUTES ON THE CLOCK, AND YOU PASS ON ALL FOUR? **** YOU ANDY REID. YOU SINGLE-HANDEDLY LOST US THIS GAME.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Or an EPIC win if we had made it.

Which do you think provided us the better chance to win?

Making it into the endzone from 2 yards away in a single play

or

stopping the Denver offense from getting into field goal range with 2 minutes left on the clock.

...stopping Denver, PLUS scoring in OT AND stopping Denver from scoring in OT.

I've argued this before with people. I generally lean towards going for 2. Making 1 play from 2 yards out just seems easier than stopping the other team, plus also making a score in OT. Coaches must hate that decision.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by ciaomichael

We needed a FIRST DOWN there. Calling the best possible play and running some time off the clock were not mutually exclusive in that situation. And, the play that ended up being called was hardly the best possible play to get a first down. Alex ended up throwing the ball across his body from right to left and the pass was telegraphed to the Denver defenders, with the resultant timing being all in their favor.

I agree, especially when you have 1 single chance left at getting the 1st down or the game is over. If there was a time to be a little conservative, that was it.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Or an EPIC win if we had made it.

Which do you think provided us the better chance to win?

Making it into the endzone from 2 yards away in a single play

or

stopping the Denver offense from getting into field goal range with 2 minutes left on the clock.

Us making a 2-point conversion had we scored a TD doesn't prevent Manning from still driving for the game winning FG.

Unless you were talking about scoring the TD with only a few seconds left. But you did not state that.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

Us making a 2-point conversion had we scored a TD doesn't prevent Manning from still driving for the game winning FG.

Unless you were talking about scoring the TD with only a few seconds left. But you did not state that.

This whole thread is discussing Reid's non-existence clock management ability.

we had a 1st down in the redzone with plenty of time. We should of ran the ball a few times and got another 1st down before gunning for the endzone. That would of left very little time for Manning.

[Earthling]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You pick the best plays to get you into the end zone. Period. The clock should not dictate play calling,

Totally disagree with your view here. Of course the clock dictates play-calling; both in terms of conserving time for your team or using as much as possible when you need to keep it out of your opponents hands. Its mind bowing that this isn't obvious.

[ThaVirus]

Football is like a game of chess. There is a lot of strategy that goes into it and that final drive was definitely a blunder in clock management.

Once we shredded them for the big gainers and got into their territory we should have slowed it down. Given how we were allowing huge chunks through the air, we simply couldn't have allowed Manning to get the ball back with anything more than 30 seconds left on the clock.

The play that I had the most issue with was a 1st down call with around 2:08 left on the clock. I felt we should have run a draw with Charles there to let the clock run to the 2 minute warning, instead we threw it deep to the sideline to Bowe and it went out of bounds. That stopped the clock with around 2:03 and netted us zero yards.

Calling a running play in that situation would have been far from conceding a down. Charles had been having a great day and there was a good chance we could have picked up 5+ yards off a delayed draw.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Earthling

Totally disagree with your view here. Of course the clock dictates play-calling; both in terms of conserving time for your team or using as much as possible when you need to keep it out of your opponents hands. Its mind bowing that this isn't obvious.

When you are down by a touchdown your #1 obligation is to get a TD.

When you have an offense like ours that isn't known to be particularly great in the red zone, it becomes even more crucial.

The clock management was a cluster ****. No excuse for that. The playcalling... I'm not a big fan of the plays called, but that has nothing to do with us not burning enough clock. Calling the 2nd best play option because it burns clock versus giving you a scoring opportunity means you have to get into the end zone in less tries.

[NWTF]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

This whole thread is discussing Reid's non-existence clock management ability.

we had a 1st down in the redzone with plenty of time. We should of ran the ball a few times and got another 1st down before gunning for the endzone. That would of left very little time for Manning.

^^^This

I thought they were going to score and tie the game. If they had, Manning had plenty of time to engineer a game winning drive. That would have happened. Of course they didnt score the game tying TD and the whole debate is moot, but it seems he didnt learn a thing from the week before.

[ptlyon]

They should have just ripped a page out of the Herm Edwards playbook and played to win the game...

[Omaha]

Originally Posted by Rudy is a Troll

ANDY REID IS FAT

No way! Huge tits. Big ass. I'd hit it. /ThaVirus

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Omaha

No way! Huge tits. Big ass. I'd hit it. /ThaVirus

Woohoo! Wayyyooooo!

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

2 games straight where Reid had no idea about trying to manage the clock.

Just run the ball a couple of times and get another 1st down so that Manning doesn't have a full 2 minutes to go the length of the field.

Same thing with Rivers in the Charger game

coaches all over the league do it all the time, it's not too much to ask imo.

He's just playing with them.... Mind games dontchakno.....

[KCFaninSEA]

So most of this discussion is about the last drive. How about the first drive. First and goal multiple times this year and IMO, especially the opening drive of the game, you go Jamal, Jamal, Jamal, period. If your best player can't get in then kick a FG. Hate the turnover inside the red zone.

I to, believe there should have been some runs inside the 20 with about 2:00 to go. I do believe the first and most important thing to do is score, obviously but great coaches find a way to get both accomplished. Get the score and drain the clock. I do not think Reid is dogshit or anything but he does have a history.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by KCFaninSEA

I to, believe there should have been some runs inside the 20 with about 2:00 to go. I do believe the first and most important thing to do is score, obviously but great coaches find a way to get both accomplished. Get the score and drain the clock. I do not think Reid is dogshit or anything but he does have a history.

On 4th & 4 with less than 2:00 left, the first and most important thing was getting a first down. Throwing into the end zone between two defenders was not the best way to try for a 1st down.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You mean the same Denver team that stopped us 4 times at the one yard line two weeks ago? Getting into the end zone is tough. Getting a first down in the red zone is tough. They are both extremely difficult at the end of the game.

You pick the best plays to get you into the end zone. Period. The clock should not dictate play calling, especially if it means laying up. It's not like we have an offense that scores at will. And our red zone offense has improved dramatically the pass two weeks because we are passing better there.

One of our best plays is a two yard out to a WR3 on 2nd and 10?

One of our best plays is a WR screen to a WR5 on 3rd and 8?