Chiefs Andy Reid's incompetence - Page 7

Iconic · 12-01-2013, 06:58 PM

FOUR DOWNS WITHIN THE RED ZONE, TWO MINUTES ON THE CLOCK, AND YOU PASS ON ALL FOUR? **** YOU ANDY REID. YOU SINGLE-HANDEDLY LOST US THIS GAME.

Mr. Plow · 12-02-2013, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I wasn't paying attention to if we ran the play clock all the way down. If we didn't, inexcusable and something I was pissed at Reid at last week too.

To me, that is a different argument than picking plays with the clock in mind. Even if you don't think it's your best opportunity to score right away.

If I remember correctly, Reid was trying to get MORE time put on the clock right before the 2 minute warning.

Mr. Laz · 12-02-2013, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz

C'mon now fellas, he's a nice guy, and awesome coach, loved by his players, loved by ownership, so please cut him some slack. He doesn't rant or complain, he just moves on with few words and throws none of his team under the bus. That's a rare quality in a leader and one we'd all want to work around/under.

There's always tomorrow and next year guys... Let's not overreact.

2 games straight where Reid had no idea about trying to manage the clock.

Just run the ball a couple of times and get another 1st down so that Manning doesn't have a full 2 minutes to go the length of the field.

Same thing with Rivers in the Charger game

coaches all over the league do it all the time, it's not too much to ask imo.

Mr. Laz · 12-02-2013, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

If I remember correctly, Reid was trying to get MORE time put on the clock right before the 2 minute warning.

he was ... he was yelling at the ref to put 2 seconds back on the clock.

Mr. Plow · 12-02-2013, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

2 games straight where Reid had no idea about trying to manage the clock.

Just run the ball a couple of times and get another 1st down so that Manning doesn't have a full 2 minutes to go the length of the field.

Here is the problem though - had we scored with 1:45 left. Kicked off for a touchback. Manning only has to go 50 yards in that time for a 47 yard FG attempt.

Considering how our defense was playing, I see them covering that & more fairly easily.

**The Franchise** · 12-02-2013, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

2 games straight where Reid had no idea about trying to manage the clock.

Just run the ball a couple of times and get another 1st down so that Manning doesn't have a full 2 minutes to go the length of the field.

Same thing with Rivers in the Charger game

coaches all over the league do it all the time, it's not too much to ask imo.

That's all great in theory.....if you're tied. Reid was doing the exact same thing that he did in San Diego....he was going for the TD that we needed. You would have been ****ing furious if he ran a bunch of time off the clock...and in the process....not scored a TD to tie the game. He has to worry about tying the game first before running time off the clock.

Mr. Laz · 12-02-2013, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Here is the problem though - had we scored with 1:45 left. Kicked off for a touchback. Manning only has to go 50 yards in that time for a 47 yard FG attempt.

Considering how our defense was playing, I see them covering that & more fairly easily.

nothing is guaranteed and it might not work out but i would just hope that our Head Coach would be aware of the situation.

The Charger game was just terrible. Wait until there is 1 second left on the play clock instead of 14 to call the timeout and run the ball a single time and Rivers doesn't have enough time to score. We did nothing.

Mr. Laz · 12-02-2013, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

That's all great in theory.....if you're tied. Reid was doing the exact same thing that he did in San Diego....he was going for the TD that we needed. You would have been ****ing furious if he ran a bunch of time off the clock...and in the process....not scored a TD to tie the game. He has to worry about tying the game first before running time off the clock.

I would of understood what he was trying to do. I also said in the game thread that we might want to go for a 2-pt conversion if we scored.

Manning was shredding us

If our defense was even holding our own it wouldn't be a big deal but our D was dying out there.

I like Reid and the Clock management didn't lose the game, but it sure didn't help us either.

Mr. Plow · 12-02-2013, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

That's all great in theory.....if you're tied. Reid was doing the exact same thing that he did in San Diego....he was going for the TD that we needed. You would have been ****ing furious if he ran a bunch of time off the clock...and in the process....not scored a TD to tie the game. He has to worry about tying the game first before running time off the clock.

The only way I would have been furious about that situation was if they didn't score a TD simply because time ran out. Like they were ****ing around and burned through 2 minutes, & 2 time outs without even getting chances at that TD.

Time was a factor early in that drive - only because we had the entire field to go. Once we got the ball at the 20, time wasn't a factor no matter how slowly we moved.

cosmo20002 · 12-02-2013, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'm not really debating with you. I mostly agreed with you. Not a big fan of the play design or Alex Smith's read. I have a problem with people suggesting that we lay up and pick plays that will lay up to try to score in more tries and burn clock versus calling plays we think are our best scoring plays.

I understand. At that time, I wouldn't pick a play looking to burn time either. I'd pick a play most likely to gain at least 4 yards. I can't believe they thought throwing to the end zone there was the best way to get the 4 yards.

After that, with 4 downs to work with, maybe then a little consideration can be given to the clock by running plays that, if not successful, at least result in running some time off. But yeah, when you need a TD, you can't make playing the clock the #1 priority.

cosmo20002 · 12-02-2013, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

That's all great in theory.....if you're tied. Reid was doing the exact same thing that he did in San Diego....he was going for the TD that we needed. You would have been ****ing furious if he ran a bunch of time off the clock...and in the process....not scored a TD to tie the game. He has to worry about tying the game first before running time off the clock.

The ****-up with the SD game was the time-out he called with 1:20 or whatever left--and he could have run off 15-20 more seconds before calling the time out.

cosmo20002 · 12-02-2013, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

I would of understood what he was trying to do. I also said in the game thread that we might want to go for a 2-pt conversion if we scored.

Manning was shredding us

If our defense was even holding our own it wouldn't be a big deal but our D was dying out there.

I like Reid and the Clock management didn't lose the game, but it sure didn't help us either.

THAT would have been an epic argument had we done that and failed, losing by one. EPIC.

Jakemall · 12-02-2013, 12:44 PM

I'm not saying he was right, but it seemed to me that he was trying to get enough play clock on there that Manning could have a stopped drive and they'd still have a shot at scoring a FG for a win.

You can argue all day if that was stupid or not, but it is the only reasonable justification for the way he was managing the clock at the end.

Mr. Laz · 12-02-2013, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

THAT would have been an epic argument had we done that and failed, losing by one. EPIC.

Or an EPIC win if we had made it.

Which do you think provided us the better chance to win?

Making it into the endzone from 2 yards away in a single play

or

stopping the Denver offense from getting into field goal range with 2 minutes left on the clock.

ciaomichael · 12-02-2013, 01:48 PM

We needed a FIRST DOWN there. Calling the best possible play and running some time off the clock were not mutually exclusive in that situation. And, the play that ended up being called was hardly the best possible play to get a first down. Alex ended up throwing the ball across his body from right to left and the pass was telegraphed to the Denver defenders, with the resultant timing being all in their favor.

I would have faked a handoff to Charles up the middle off a reverse pivot, then boot legged Alex to the wide side for a run/pass option.

**ptlyon** · 12-02-2013, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ciaomichael

I would have faked a handoff to Charles up the middle off a reverse pivot, then boot legged Alex to the wide side for a run/pass option.

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12-01-2013, 06:58 PM
Iconic It's just a ride. Join Date: Dec 2010 Casino cash: $4130360	Andy Reid's incompetence FOUR DOWNS WITHIN THE RED ZONE, TWO MINUTES ON THE CLOCK, AND YOU PASS ON ALL FOUR? **** YOU ANDY REID. YOU SINGLE-HANDEDLY LOST US THIS GAME.
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12-02-2013, 12:44 PM	#102
Jakemall Veteran Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Los Angeles Casino cash: $10010313	I'm not saying he was right, but it seemed to me that he was trying to get enough play clock on there that Manning could have a stopped drive and they'd still have a shot at scoring a FG for a win. You can argue all day if that was stupid or not, but it is the only reasonable justification for the way he was managing the clock at the end.
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12-02-2013, 01:48 PM	#104
ciaomichael Starter Join Date: Nov 2013 Casino cash: $10004900	We needed a FIRST DOWN there. Calling the best possible play and running some time off the clock were not mutually exclusive in that situation. And, the play that ended up being called was hardly the best possible play to get a first down. Alex ended up throwing the ball across his body from right to left and the pass was telegraphed to the Denver defenders, with the resultant timing being all in their favor. I would have faked a handoff to Charles up the middle off a reverse pivot, then boot legged Alex to the wide side for a run/pass option.
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