Some undeniable truths about the Chiefs @ 23. - Page 2

Direckshun · 02-07-2014, 11:49 AM

12 facts that are incontrovertibly true, in my estimation.

1. Andy Reid's offense does not require elite WRs.

2. It does require fast route-runners who can get quick separation.

3. Those types of WRs are all over this draft.

4. The Chiefs are relatively satisfied with their play at CB: Flowers, Smith, and Cooper will be their top three guys in 2014, with Ron Parker up and coming.

5. This draft, like most drafts, is pretty deep at CB.

6. The value at QB, RB, and ILB is pretty weak at 23.

7. Probably will be weak at safety, as well, if Pryor or Clinton-Dix are off the board.

8. It is generally not wise to spend two first rounders at safety in a span of five years.

9. It is very unlikely the Chiefs cut Anthony Fasano. It would only save $1m against the cap.

10. Drafting a TE in the 1st round means that either Fasano ($4.5m in 2014), Kelce (last year's 3rd rounder), or the 1st rounder will become the 3rd TE.

11. The Draft value at OL (both guard and tackle) is very strong in the first couple rounds.

12. The value at DL and OLB is questionable, and will be further clarified after the Combine.

At this point, I would say it is far more likely that the Chiefs bring in OL or DL/OLB than any skill position player.

**The Franchise** · 02-07-2014, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84

That's weird, they show him as #30 on the Auburn site, but the pictures show him wearing #95.

Anyways... I'll check him out.

He may have changed numbers one year. I just searched for a picture and posted it.

Nightfyre · 02-07-2014, 04:50 PM

Dee Ford changed to #30 last year. But just the same, he was a beast and is completely underrated as far as I can tell. Projecting him to go in the fourth is shameful. If he is there when we pick in the third, we should take him and not look back.

BlackHelicopters · 02-07-2014, 04:51 PM

I see us going defense at 1.23

Nightfyre · 02-07-2014, 04:52 PM

I see probably a WR/TE/OL/CB at 23 depending on who is on the board.

O.city · 02-07-2014, 07:04 PM

If see ford is there when we pick in the 3rd, you run to the podium

**The Franchise** · 02-07-2014, 07:45 PM

Ford was projected to go in the 4th BEFORE the Senior Bowl. He's protected to go in the 2nd...possibly as high as the 1st.

spanky 52 · 02-07-2014, 07:51 PM

I could see Ford in the first. Chief's can't have a replay of Hali or Houston being out this year.

OldSchool · 02-07-2014, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Ford was projected to go in the 4th BEFORE the Senior Bowl. He's protected to go in the 2nd...possibly as high as the 1st.

Curious, outside of the obvious Barr and Mack, how do you rank your 3-4 OLB prospects? Ford would have to be up there, no? He was fluid as hell in drills at the Senior Bowl and had the best first step in pass rush there.

O.city · 02-07-2014, 08:16 PM

Actually, I think fords a bit of a tweener. I'm not sure he is very great in space, but he's to small to have his hand in the dirt.

O.city · 02-07-2014, 08:19 PM

There's just a lot of ways we could go.

Wr is a possibility, but with the depth of the draft, and the way Reid uses the wr position, would it be better to take a Josh Huff in the 4th round?

TE is the same, if the top 3 are gone.

Ol might make sense, it's not very deep. Same as pass rusher.

Frankly, that's why I'm so high on Hageman or DONALD. There isn't any or much dl depth with game changer abilities late like either of those guys.

**FRCDFED** · 02-07-2014, 08:22 PM

Will Auburn's Dee Ford be first-round pick in 2014 NFL Draft?

By Charles Davis NFL Media analyst
Published: Feb. 6, 2014 at 12:53 p.m. Updated: Feb. 6, 2014 at 01:51 p.m. 5 Likes | 4 Comments Email Like Print Read Discuss

Davis: Buzz surrounding Auburn pass rusher Ford totally justified

As we move closer to the next big step in the draft process -- the combine (Feb. 19-25) -- I don't think anyone should underestimate what Dee Ford did for his draft stock at the Senior Bowl.

He created plenty of buzz with his performance, and the high praise he has received is justified.

Ford flashed in every aspect of practice during the week. It was clear he was on a different level as I watched him go through agility drills with other defensive linemen -- and when the game started, he did it again (he earned game MVP honors).

He did it all week long, and the former Auburn defensive end wasn't one of those guys who needed the game to rescue him from a tough week. He wasn't a player who had a great week and then just shut it down in the game. He carried all the way through, and it was impressive.

It wasn't a surprise, though.

Ford had been building up to the moment throughout 2013, and it was clear he had the ability he showed in Mobile as he racked up 10.5 sacks during the season. He played well on the biggest stages, including against Missouri in the SEC title game, and he got after Jameis Winston in the national championship game. He's always around the ball and wasn't one of those guys that just feasted on inferior opponents and piled up stats.

What can a strong Senior Bowl performance do for a prospect on the rise? Look no further than last year, when Central Michigan's Eric Fisher went from being penciled in as someone who would go in the second half of the first round to the No. 1 overall pick in the draft. His Senior Bowl performance helped start his ascent. Of course, Ford's circumstances are different. I wouldn't project him as anything less than a second-rounder at this point, but the Senior Bowl is a big-time testing ground and Ford helped himself quite a bit over the course of the week, perhaps enough to put him in the discussion for some teams as a potential late first-rounder.

That is the big question for him: Can he convince teams in the next few months to vault him up to Round 1 on their draft boards? It will depend, in part, on how teams want to play him as clubs determine whether he's a fit for them.

He lined up as a defensive end all week at the Senior Bowl, but I think he will be best utilized as a 3-4 outside linebacker in the pros. At 6-foot-2 and 243 pounds, he's a speedy guy who can rush the passer. His athletic ability, agility and foot skills are outstanding, and when he goes to the combine, I think he's going to test off the charts. I think he's going to blow NFL teams away, and he's going to be one of those defensive linemen that will get pulled to go through additional linebacker drills. Teams will want to see how he fares in those situations, and I think he'll show them he has the skill set to excel at the position.

If a team departs the combine thinking that Ford is worth nabbing in the first round, I will not be surprised.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...2014-nfl-draft

TambaBerry · 02-07-2014, 08:35 PM

Please not ford in the first.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 02-08-2014, 08:33 AM

It is most likely they stick to their philosophy and draft the BPA at #23

ChiefRocka · 02-08-2014, 07:58 PM

Curious as to why Ford hasn't been projected higher sooner? Was he not a premier pass rusher all year for Auburn? The last two games I watched the man was unblockable.

OldSchool · 02-08-2014, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRocka

Curious as to why Ford hasn't been projected higher sooner? Was he not a premier pass rusher all year for Auburn? The last two games I watched the man was unblockable.

Doesn't have the length that teams look for in a DE/OLB.

02-07-2014, 11:49 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4393447	Some undeniable truths about the Chiefs @ 23. 12 facts that are incontrovertibly true, in my estimation. 1. Andy Reid's offense does not require elite WRs. 2. It does require fast route-runners who can get quick separation. 3. Those types of WRs are all over this draft. 4. The Chiefs are relatively satisfied with their play at CB: Flowers, Smith, and Cooper will be their top three guys in 2014, with Ron Parker up and coming. 5. This draft, like most drafts, is pretty deep at CB. 6. The value at QB, RB, and ILB is pretty weak at 23. 7. Probably will be weak at safety, as well, if Pryor or Clinton-Dix are off the board. 8. It is generally not wise to spend two first rounders at safety in a span of five years. 9. It is very unlikely the Chiefs cut Anthony Fasano. It would only save $1m against the cap. 10. Drafting a TE in the 1st round means that either Fasano ($4.5m in 2014), Kelce (last year's 3rd rounder), or the 1st rounder will become the 3rd TE. 11. The Draft value at OL (both guard and tackle) is very strong in the first couple rounds. 12. The value at DL and OLB is questionable, and will be further clarified after the Combine. At this point, I would say it is far more likely that the Chiefs bring in OL or DL/OLB than any skill position player.
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Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $3658849	Dee Ford changed to #30 last year. But just the same, he was a beast and is completely underrated as far as I can tell. Projecting him to go in the fourth is shameful. If he is there when we pick in the third, we should take him and not look back.
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02-07-2014, 07:45 PM	#21
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $3125047	Ford was projected to go in the 4th BEFORE the Senior Bowl. He's protected to go in the 2nd...possibly as high as the 1st.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2764064	Actually, I think fords a bit of a tweener. I'm not sure he is very great in space, but he's to small to have his hand in the dirt.
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02-07-2014, 08:19 PM	#25
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2764064	There's just a lot of ways we could go. Wr is a possibility, but with the depth of the draft, and the way Reid uses the wr position, would it be better to take a Josh Huff in the 4th round? TE is the same, if the top 3 are gone. Ol might make sense, it's not very deep. Same as pass rusher. Frankly, that's why I'm so high on Hageman or DONALD. There isn't any or much dl depth with game changer abilities late like either of those guys.
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02-07-2014, 08:22 PM	#26
FRCDFED Line'em up Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: somewhere out there Casino cash: $9326297	Will Auburn's Dee Ford be first-round pick in 2014 NFL Draft? By Charles Davis NFL Media analyst Published: Feb. 6, 2014 at 12:53 p.m. Updated: Feb. 6, 2014 at 01:51 p.m. 5 Likes \| 4 Comments Email Like Print Read Discuss Davis: Buzz surrounding Auburn pass rusher Ford totally justified As we move closer to the next big step in the draft process -- the combine (Feb. 19-25) -- I don't think anyone should underestimate what Dee Ford did for his draft stock at the Senior Bowl. He created plenty of buzz with his performance, and the high praise he has received is justified. Ford flashed in every aspect of practice during the week. It was clear he was on a different level as I watched him go through agility drills with other defensive linemen -- and when the game started, he did it again (he earned game MVP honors). He did it all week long, and the former Auburn defensive end wasn't one of those guys who needed the game to rescue him from a tough week. He wasn't a player who had a great week and then just shut it down in the game. He carried all the way through, and it was impressive. It wasn't a surprise, though. Ford had been building up to the moment throughout 2013, and it was clear he had the ability he showed in Mobile as he racked up 10.5 sacks during the season. He played well on the biggest stages, including against Missouri in the SEC title game, and he got after Jameis Winston in the national championship game. He's always around the ball and wasn't one of those guys that just feasted on inferior opponents and piled up stats. What can a strong Senior Bowl performance do for a prospect on the rise? Look no further than last year, when Central Michigan's Eric Fisher went from being penciled in as someone who would go in the second half of the first round to the No. 1 overall pick in the draft. His Senior Bowl performance helped start his ascent. Of course, Ford's circumstances are different. I wouldn't project him as anything less than a second-rounder at this point, but the Senior Bowl is a big-time testing ground and Ford helped himself quite a bit over the course of the week, perhaps enough to put him in the discussion for some teams as a potential late first-rounder. That is the big question for him: Can he convince teams in the next few months to vault him up to Round 1 on their draft boards? It will depend, in part, on how teams want to play him as clubs determine whether he's a fit for them. He lined up as a defensive end all week at the Senior Bowl, but I think he will be best utilized as a 3-4 outside linebacker in the pros. At 6-foot-2 and 243 pounds, he's a speedy guy who can rush the passer. His athletic ability, agility and foot skills are outstanding, and when he goes to the combine, I think he's going to test off the charts. I think he's going to blow NFL teams away, and he's going to be one of those defensive linemen that will get pulled to go through additional linebacker drills. Teams will want to see how he fares in those situations, and I think he'll show them he has the skill set to excel at the position. If a team departs the combine thinking that Ford is worth nabbing in the first round, I will not be surprised. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...2014-nfl-draft
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