Would you trade Alex Smith for Colin Kaepernick straight up?

[Alex Smith 4Ever]

I would not. Alex is a better quarterback right now and does not have the off field incidents of Kaepernick

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by O.city

Using a team statistic (playoff wins an losses) to justify player to player evaluations is asinine.

What on field hang ups are you referring to? His pocket presence or lack there of? One read offensive style?

Explain.

LOL, okay I'll spell it out for you

Alex has issues with playing too careful, and not having a killer instinct due to physical limitations, and being too reliant on his defense.

pushing the ball down the field on a constant basis is a paramount problem ( Bowe's lack of production) with him which he often piggybacks Charles to an exhausting end.

I could go into more adherent checkdown BS, but I don't want to considering it should be obvious enough why Colin is a better QB than Alex.

[O.city]

So basically we are at "Kaep throws it deep more" here?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Tribal that is dumb as ****

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

I could go into more adherent checkdown BS, but I don't want to considering it should be obvious enough why Colin is a better QB than Alex.

Sorry man but you're dead wrong here, they are both "meh" QBs. Neither is awful (although both can be at times) and neither is a guy you count on to carry your team. Given a choice between two QBs who are in the same range, I'd normally go with the younger guy. BUT Kaep appears to be an uncoachable moron so his youth just means you get stuck with a "meh" QB for longer. So, in that case, give me the guy who isn't a total douche.

[Marcellus]

My comment was simply pointing out that as badass as Rodgers is he has won 1 SB and lost a shit ton of big games.

Rodgers has no guarantee he will win another SB. He will keep them in the hunt.

We had Trent Green who for at least 3 years played well enough to keep us in the hunt but because the defense was epically bad we were one and done so he is considered a failure by CP standards.

Smith isn't Rodgers, no shit, but you could easily argue to this point Rodgers is either an underachiever in big games or overrated.

Big Ben has won 2x as many.

Flacco as many.

Its a team game.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

My comment was simply pointing out that as badass as Rodgers is he has won 1 SB and lost a shit ton of big games.

Sometimes I wonder if fans root for specific players or the team.

Rodgers has no guarantee he will win another SB. He will keep them in the hunt.

We had Trent Green who for at least 3 years played well enough to keep us in the hunt but because the defense was epically bad we were one and done so he is considered a failure by CP standards.

Smith isn't Rodgers, no shit, but you could easily argue to this point Rodgers is either an underachiever in big games or overrated.

Big Ben has won 2x as many.

Flacco as many.

Its a team game.

So you go on to say its a team game, but use a team statistic to say Rodgers underachieved or is overrated.

How did he play in said games?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

So you go on to say its a team game, but use a team statistic to say Rodgers underachieved or is overrated.

How did he play in said games?

How did Smith play in said playoff loss? Yet he is judged here by a loss.

[keg in kc]

I think Kaepernick, and specifically the zone-read offense that worked for him during that period two seasons ago, was a flash-in-the-pan. I remember predicting a year ago that the league will make strides in figuring it/him out last season, and they did. He had a huge game against a bad Packers defense to start the year and then basically did diddly-shit the rest of the way. 10 games under 200 yards passing (plus an 11th at 203) and one 300 yard game (meaning 2 for the season). His completion percentage dropped off from 2012, his yards per attempt dropped off, his yards per carry dropped off.

All the athletic ability in the world doesn't matter as much as people want to think at the NFL level, at least not at the QB position. Because it's as much about what's between the ears and what you can do between the tackles. And unless he raises his level of play in the pocket, he basically is Alex Smith. Sure, strong arm, able and willing to go downfield, a better runner, but the end result is the same for all intents and purposes.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

LOL, okay I'll spell it out for you

Alex has issues with playing too careful, and not having a killer instinct due to physical limitations, and being too reliant on his defense.

pushing the ball down the field on a constant basis is a paramount problem ( Bowe's lack of production) with him which he often piggybacks Charles to an exhausting end.

I could go into more adherent checkdown BS, but I don't want to considering it should be obvious enough why Colin is a better QB than Alex.

You are, without question, the single dumbest mother****er here.

Your mother should have swallowed to save the family from embarrasment.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I thought I was rude, but milfman just lay the smacketh down!!!

[ThaVirus]

I'd honestly thought I'd heard it all after Discuss Thrower suggested trading Justin Houston but now we have mother****ers saying Alex Smith has "physical limitations".

He doesn't have physical limitations. He was the ****ing #1 overall pick.

Russel Wilson has physical limitations. Chad Pennington had physical limitations.

Damn it, people. Think!!!

[Jakemall]

I find it amazing that 75% of this board likes Alex over Colin.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Jakemall

I find it amazing that 75% of this board likes Alex over Colin.

I don't. Alex Smith performed well for us last year. And he has no off field problems, or ego problems. Kaep is one knee injury away from being a below average QB, because running is his main asset as a QB.

[Molitoth]

No. I wouldn't want to be stuck with a qb who's main strength is running.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by O.city

So you go on to say its a team game, but use a team statistic to say Rodgers underachieved or is overrated.

How did he play in said games?

Here you go, since I'm assuming you received a deflection instead of an answer:

1/5/14 (road loss 20-23 @ SF): 17-26 (65.4%) for 177 yards and 1 TD. QBR 57.6. QB rating 97.8.

1/5/13 (home win 24-10 vs MIN): 23-33 (69.7%) for 274 yards and 1 TD. QBR 72.6. QB rating 104.9.
1/12/13 (road loss 31-45 @ SF): 26-39 (66.7%) for 257 yards, 2 TD and 1 INT. QBR 68.3. QB rating 91.5.

1/15/12 (home loss 20-37 vs NYG): 26-46 (56.5%) for 264 yards, 2 TD and 1 INT. QBR 69.1. QB rating 78.5.

1/9/11 (road win 21-16 @ PHI): 18-27 (66.7%) for 180 yards and 3 TD. QBR 58.6. QB rating 122.5.
1/15/11 (road win 48-21 @ ATL): 31-36 (86.1%) for 366 yards and 3 TD. QBR 90.1. QB rating 136.8.
1/23/11 (road win 21-14 @ CHI): 17-23 (56.7%) for 244 yards, 0 TD and 2 INT. QBR 72.4. QB rating 55.4.
2/6/11 (Superbowl win 31-24 vs PIT): 24-39 (61.5%) for 304 yards and 3 TD. 75.4 QBR. 111.5 QB rating. (Superbowl MVP)

1/10/10 (road loss 45-51 (OT) @ ARI): 38-42 (66.7%) for 423 yards, 4 TD and 1 INT. QBR 85.6. QB rating 121.4.

So, he never finished with a total QBR below 50 (which is an "average" game according to the system). 7 out of 9 games he finished with an old school QB rating over 90 (5 over 100). 7 out of 9 games he finished with 250 or more yards passing (3 over 300). 6 out of 9 games he completed 65% or more of his passes. 5 out of 9 games he threw zero interceptions (he threw more picks than TDs just once).

Yeah. That doesn't read much like underachievement.