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View Poll Results: Grade the following hypotheticals.
OLB Bjoern Werner starts to fall, Chiefs package both 2nds to move up to 16 and grab him. (don't select this option) 7 16.67%
A 2 4.76%
B 5 11.90%
C 11 26.19%
D 6 14.29%
F 12 28.57%
S Kenny Vaccaro starts to fall, Chiefs package 2a and 3a to move up and get him at 18. (don't select this option) 6 14.29%
A 1 2.38%
B 6 14.29%
C 8 19.05%
D 4 9.52%
F 10 23.81%
WR Keenan Allen starts to fall, Chiefs package 2b and 3a to get him at 21. (don't select this option) 6 14.29%
A 2 4.76%
B 9 21.43%
C 4 9.52%
D 6 14.29%
F 9 21.43%
TE Tyler Eifert starts falling, Chiefs package a 2b and 3a to get him at 21. (don't select this option) 6 14.29%
A 2 4.76%
B 10 23.81%
C 5 11.90%
D 5 11.90%
F 9 21.43%
WR Cordarrelle Patterson starts falling, Chiefs package a 2b and 4th to move up and get him at 25. (don't select this option) 7 16.67%
A 9 21.43%
B 9 21.43%
C 4 9.52%
D 3 7.14%
F 8 19.05%
OLB Damontre Moore starts falling, Chiefs package a 2b and 4th to get him at 25. (don't select this option) 6 14.29%
A 3 7.14%
B 8 19.05%
C 7 16.67%
D 7 16.67%
F 7 16.67%
DE Margus Hunt starts falling, Chiefs package 2b and a 4th to get him at 28. (don't select this option) 5 11.90%
A 3 7.14%
B 5 11.90%
C 6 14.29%
D 6 14.29%
F 10 23.81%
WR Justin Hunter starts falling. Chiefs package 2a and a 4th to get him at 30. (don't select this option) 7 16.67%
A 3 7.14%
B 7 16.67%
C 3 7.14%
D 7 16.67%
F 11 26.19%
DaneMcCloud loves little children in uncomfortable, inappropriate ways. 17 40.48%
Seriously, **** Dane. 13 30.95%
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:03 AM   #1
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That's all fair and all, but that's not the trade I'm asking you to grade.
But it is.

You don't get 2nds without trading 1.1 and/or Albert.

It's fail all around because you are hitching your wagon to a shitty QB, who couldn't have been asked to do any less than he was asked of from Harbaugh, who's only completed 25% of the seasons he's started.
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:04 AM   #2
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But it is.

You don't get 2nds without trading 1.1 and/or Albert.
Interpret it however you want, I suppose.
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:06 AM   #3
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Interpret it however you want, I suppose.
There's no other way to interpret it.

Franchise QB for S? F.
Franchise QB for WR? F.
Franchise QB for OLB? F.
Franchise QB for DE? F.
Franchise QB for TE? F.

etc...
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:09 AM   #4
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There's no other way to interpret it.

Franchise QB for S? F.
Franchise QB for WR? F.
Franchise QB for OLB? F.
Franchise QB for DE? F.
Franchise QB for TE? F.

etc...
I suppose it would depend on how good that franchise QB ends up being.

I think you'd definitely grade a "LT for franchise QB" as an A.

But substitute "franchise QB" with Alex Smith, and "LT" with Branden Albert, and I'm sure you would grade it differently.
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:11 AM   #5
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I suppose it would depend on how good that franchise QB ends up being.

I think you'd definitely grade a "LT for franchise QB" as an A.

But substitute "franchise QB" with Alex Smith, and "LT" with Branden Albert, and I'm sure you would grade it differently.
Not really. Because Alex Smith isn't a franchise QB.

I'm going to paraphrase what has been asked of Alex Smith the last 2 years in SF...

"Alex... Please don't **** this up!"

Your "Franchise QB" ladies and gentlemen.
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:22 AM   #6
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Not really. Because Alex Smith isn't a franchise QB.
I suppose that depends on what you define a franchise QB as being.

The franchise has clearly made him their QB for the current and intermediate and perhaps longterm future. Seems to fit that definition.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:03 AM   #7
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I suppose that depends on what you define a franchise QB as being.

The franchise has clearly made him their QB for the current and intermediate and perhaps longterm future. Seems to fit that definition.
I define a franchise QB as someone who is going to be THE keystone to your franchise's success for the foreseeable future... A guy that's capable of putting the team on his back and willing his way to victories.

That's not Alex Smith. He's a "franchise QB" in the sense that he's mediocre but good enough for your team to remain "respectable" at 8-8 but you have yet to hit on a Colin Kaepernick.
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:23 AM   #8
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Not really. Because Alex Smith isn't a franchise QB.

I'm going to paraphrase what has been asked of Alex Smith the last 2 years in SF...

"Alex... Please don't **** this up!"

Your "Franchise QB" ladies and gentlemen.
Not trying to be smart here because I'm just curious. Honest question. How long you going to be bitter over this?

I was mad too at first so don't take this as me celebrating the move. Certainly that wasn't the case. But I've gotten over it by now. What else can I do? Don't feel like quitting on the team.

Two years ago I think we'd all say Joe Flacco was around the 12th or so best QB in the league. Some might say lower. Look at him now. That's clearly not the case. What's the point? The point is that QBs roles and positions are constantly in flux and being evaluated. The top 5 QBs in the game today won't be the same list 3 years from now.

I'm not predicting Alex Smith will ever be in that league. But certainly he's middle of the pack. 15th or so. mediocre. Agreed. Lets see if he progresses from his last two years or if he slides.

While I want the Chiefs to win a SB, right now I just want to see if they can get in the playoffs and win a game first. I don't have much if any memories of the Chiefs the last time that happened.
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:25 AM   #9
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Not trying to be smart here because I'm just curious. Honest question. How long you going to be bitter over this?
Tough question...

I guess I'll be bitter until the last 30 years of Chiefs logic proves the world wrong.
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Not trying to be smart here because I'm just curious. Honest question. How long you going to be bitter over this?

I was mad too at first so don't take this as me celebrating the move. Certainly that wasn't the case. But I've gotten over it by now. What else can I do? Don't feel like quitting on the team.

Two years ago I think we'd all say Joe Flacco was around the 12th or so best QB in the league. Some might say lower. Look at him now. That's clearly not the case. What's the point? The point is that QBs roles and positions are constantly in flux and being evaluated. The top 5 QBs in the game today won't be the same list 3 years from now.

I'm not predicting Alex Smith will ever be in that league. But certainly he's middle of the pack. 15th or so. mediocre. Agreed. Lets see if he progresses from his last two years or if he slides.

While I want the Chiefs to win a SB, right now I just want to see if they can get in the playoffs and win a game first. I don't have much if any memories of the Chiefs the last time that happened.
Okay. So if Alex Smith unprecedentedly becomes this awesome franchise QB and the Chiefs win a Super Bowl, all the "I don't care, it's not my money, Clark's is the only opinion that matters, just sick back and enjoy the ride" people will I'm sure expect nothing less than the Nuremberg Trials for those who were adamant about drafting a QB this year.

That's not fair or admirable behavior either, but it's going to ****ing happen if that hypothetical scenario comes true.

That's how this forum works. Get used to it.
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There's no other way to interpret it.

Franchise QB for S? F.
Franchise QB for WR? F.
Franchise QB for OLB? F.
Franchise QB for DE? F.
Franchise QB for TE? F.

etc...
My grade for your interpretation is F.
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My grade for your interpretation is F.
That's ok.

I would expect someone that doesn't understand what happens when you move from 1.1 to 1.4 to have a headache, requiring a face palm.
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There's no other way to interpret it.

Franchise QB for S? F.
Franchise QB for WR? F.
Franchise QB for OLB? F.
Franchise QB for DE? F.
Franchise QB for TE? F.

etc...
translation: There is nothing that can happen except Geno that will stop the bitching.
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translation: There is nothing that can happen except Geno that will stop the bitching.
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translation: There is nothing that can happen except Geno that will stop the bitching.
The bitching will stop no matter what happens with the Chiefs #1 pick.

There are 3 scenarios:

1) They draft Geno.
2) They draft someone else like Joekel.
3) They trade down and pick up someone like Fisher.

If scenario 1 happens the bitching will stop because I'll feel like this franchise actually cares about winning a SB by ATTEMPTING to fill the QB position with legitimate potential.

If scenario's 2 and 3 happen I'll be less inclined to give a **** about what happens with the Chiefs and be more invested in baseball.
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