Football Which Is More Important To An Offense: O-Line Or Quarterback? - Page 4

listopencil · 10-05-2015, 11:49 AM

Just something I have been thinking about lately as I deal with the frustration of my team's crappy line play and you deal with your crappy QB. I know that a great QB can make an O-Line look a lot better, but a great O-Line makes a QB look a lot better too, if nothing other than just by establishing an effective running game. I am undecided on which has a greater impact on an Offense.

listopencil · 10-05-2015, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Ben Roethlisberger

He had the D.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-05-2015, 01:43 PM

QB is the most important, obviously, but you do need a good OL.

Wet hair. Lather, rinse, repeat.

RunKC · 10-05-2015, 01:57 PM

QB

Did the last SB teach you nothing?

listopencil · 10-05-2015, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

QB

Did the last SB teach you nothing?

The last SB was elite D vs. elite QB...and the QB's D won the game.

Chiefnj2 · 10-05-2015, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

QB

Did the last SB teach you nothing?

I think Reid missed the whole "give the ball to your franchise RB" when it's first and goal inside the two.

Chiefs4TheWin · 10-05-2015, 04:56 PM

When both are bad, you get the Chiefs!

keg in kc · 10-05-2015, 06:06 PM

Most great teams seem to have both. Within the context of the question I believe the quarterback can have a greater impact on the line than vice-versa. My personal vote would be a great quarterback playing behind a good line. Because he'll elevate the line play and he'll elevate the receiver and back play. But at the end of the day I think it's extremely difficult to win anything meaningful if you're missing either one.

As far as the Chiefs go, I think the line would look better with a better qb. I don't think we'd get much more out of Smith with a better line.

MIAdragon · 10-05-2015, 06:28 PM

The QB and its not even close

Priest31kc · 10-05-2015, 08:07 PM

Serious question?

Oh, 10 people voted for O-Line. Wow.

The O-Lines in general in the NFL are playing poorly, yet the good QBs are still good.

Is having a good O-Line better than having a bad one? Of course. But you can make up for having a bad O-Line with a good QB.

You can't make up for having a bad QB though. You can have the best O-Line in the league, but if doesn't matter if your QB sucks.

Giving Alex Smith another second will not make him a better QB. Instead of taking advantage of that extra time, he'll simply still either not feel the pressure, or he'll feel it and instead of moving around and buying extra time while still looking down the field and making plays, he'll panic and either run into the pressure, or he'll tuck it and run or check it down to the RB.

Alex Smith will still be Alex Smith with a good O-Line. Aaron Rodgers will still be Aaron Rodgers with our O-Line.

listopencil · 10-05-2015, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Priest31kc

Serious question?

Oh, 10 people voted for O-Line. Wow.

The O-Lines in general in the NFL are playing poorly, yet the good QBs are still good.

Is having a good O-Line better than having a bad one? Of course. But you can make up for having a bad O-Line with a good QB.

You can't make up for having a bad QB though. You can have the best O-Line in the league, but if doesn't matter if your QB sucks.

Giving Alex Smith another second will not make him a better QB. Instead of taking advantage of that extra time, he'll simply still either not feel the pressure, or he'll feel it and instead of moving around and buying extra time while still looking down the field and making plays, he'll panic and either run into the pressure, or he'll tuck it and run or check it down to the RB.

Alex Smith will still be Alex Smith with a good O-Line. Aaron Rodgers will still be Aaron Rodgers with our O-Line.

The QB option has been running about 75% through most of the poll. If you use the shitty QB/great O-line example then flip that around to shitty line/great QB. A great QB will still get hammered if his line is worthless.

Priest31kc · 10-05-2015, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

The QB option has been running about 75% through most of the poll. If you use the shitty QB/great O-line example then flip that around to shitty line/great QB. A great QB will still get hammered if his line is worthless.

Flip that around to shitty O-Line/Great QB and the QB is still great.

Every great QB has had a shitty/below average O-Line ATLEAST a few seasons in their careers. They were/are still great QBs.

Hell, Eli Manning had the 32nd ranked O-Line (according to PFF) in 2011 and was still Eli Manning and won the Super Bowl.

Will the good QBs get hit, pressured and probably sacked a little more with a bad O-Line? Sure. But they'll also do what good QBs do which is feel the pressure coming, move around or step up in the pocket, keep their eyes down the field and make plays down the field while being pressured.

They'll still make plays and put up yards and points on the board. They're still good QBs.

listopencil · 10-05-2015, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Priest31kc

Flip that around to shitty O-Line/Great QB and the QB is still great.

Every great QB has had a shitty/below average O-Line ATLEAST a few seasons in their careers. They were/are still great QBs.

Hell, Eli Manning had the 32nd ranked O-Line (according to PFF) in 2011 and was still Eli Manning and won the Super Bowl.

Will the good QBs get hit, pressured and probably sacked a little more with a bad O-Line? Sure. But they'll also do what good QBs do which is feel the pressure coming, move around or step up in the pocket, keep their eyes down the field and make plays down the field while being pressured.

They'll still make plays and put up yards and points on the board. They're still good QBs.

Sure, but what you are saying is that shitty lines turn great QBs into good QBs. That is a substantial impact on the Offense. Is it as impactful as a great line turning an average QB into a good QB or a shitty QB into an average one? I don't know.

FML · 10-05-2015, 08:26 PM

To the 12 people who picked Oline, I say this with full confidence: you don't know shit about football.

Molitoth · 10-05-2015, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FML

To the 12 people who picked Oline, I say this with full confidence: you don't know shit about football.

They are probably 75 years old, wanting to relive the good ol' days of super bowl 4.

Unfortunately the poor souls don't realize the game has changed.

Priest31kc · 10-05-2015, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

Sure, but what you are saying is that shitty lines turn great QBs into good QBs. That is a substantial impact on the Offense. Is it as impactful as a great line turning an average QB into a good QB or a shitty QB into an average one? I don't know.

No, that's not what I was saying. Aaron Rodgers will still be the great QB he is even with a bad O-Line. He's had one before.

Now, will the performance of the offense overall be as good with a bad line verses a good one? Probably not, no. But it wouldn't make an Aaron Rodgers or Big Ben or Tom Brady any less of a QB than they are. They'll still be better than the merely "good" or second tier QBs would be with the same O-Line.

Just like Alex Smith will still be Alex Smith even if he had the best O-Line in the NFL. Hell, he had a Top 5 O-Line in San Francisco and STILL led the league in sacks. He still didn't throw downfield. He still didn't throw for a lot of yards or TDs. Still didn't throw to WRs, etc...

Give Alex Smith more time, and he'll still do what I already explained he'd still do.

Give Aaron Rodgers less time, and he'll still do what I already explained he'd still do.

Yes, having a shitty O-Line versus a good one would have a negative impact on the offense. But that wasn't the question. Like I said, you can make up for having a shitty O-Line...you can't make up for having a shitty QB.

View Poll Results: Which Is More Important To An Offense?
The QB is more important to an Offense	75	74.26%
The O-Line is more important to an Offense	16	15.84%
They are both equally important	9	8.91%
I'm not sure	1	0.99%
GAZ says that the best Offense is a good Defense	0	0%
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Most great teams seem to have both. Within the context of the question I believe the quarterback can have a greater impact on the line than vice-versa. My personal vote would be a great quarterback playing behind a good line. Because he'll elevate the line play and he'll elevate the receiver and back play. But at the end of the day I think it's extremely difficult to win anything meaningful if you're missing either one. As far as the Chiefs go, I think the line would look better with a better qb. I don't think we'd get much more out of Smith with a better line.
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10-05-2015, 08:07 PM	#54
Priest31kc Veteran Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: JCMO Casino cash: $5315291	Serious question? Oh, 10 people voted for O-Line. Wow. The O-Lines in general in the NFL are playing poorly, yet the good QBs are still good. Is having a good O-Line better than having a bad one? Of course. But you can make up for having a bad O-Line with a good QB. You can't make up for having a bad QB though. You can have the best O-Line in the league, but if doesn't matter if your QB sucks. Giving Alex Smith another second will not make him a better QB. Instead of taking advantage of that extra time, he'll simply still either not feel the pressure, or he'll feel it and instead of moving around and buying extra time while still looking down the field and making plays, he'll panic and either run into the pressure, or he'll tuck it and run or check it down to the RB. Alex Smith will still be Alex Smith with a good O-Line. Aaron Rodgers will still be Aaron Rodgers with our O-Line. __________________ KANSAS CITY ROYALS 2015 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS I AM A MAHOMESEXUAL
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10-05-2015, 08:26 PM	#58
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