Chiefs The Chiefs need a new kicker. - Page 4

Direckshun · 12-31-2014, 12:45 PM

Cairo Santos is not a reliable kicker.

I don't care about the 80-some percentage that Santos kicked on the year. He doesn't have a lot of leg, and the Chiefs don't trust him with anything other than short 20-to-40 yarders.

He's dogshit in coverage -- I've never seen a kicker stick his legs out to tackle a kick returner, but Santos is so small and slow that that's all he can do.

He doesn't have the confidence of the team. He doesn't have the confidence of the coaching staff. He doesn't have our confidence here, does he?

His missed kicks were huge momentum swingers in the 1st game of the year that we lost -- had we beat that shit-ass Titans team, we'd be in the playoffs right now.

His misses this year have been awful -- all misses are awful, but a good number of his misses have been knuckleballs that just flew off into oblivion. Even some of his connections have been awful -- his made kick in Denver this year was a low knuckler through the uprights.

I'm done with Cairo. I respect Dave Toub's ability to turn even circus clowns into competent special teams contributors, but it's time to bring in an actual kicker.

I vote Kyle Brindza out of Notre Dame, but I'm open to suggestions.

Direckshun · 12-31-2014, 01:15 PM

I was the first guy to be pissed off about the Alex Smith trade. I advocated Geno Smith that year. I have advocated the Chiefs take dynamic passers in nearly every draft, not game managers. But I'm not going to bang my head against the Alex Smith Brick Wall when we all know he's here for years.

I'm giving Eric Fisher a pass? On what planet? Did you forget the conversation we had TWO DAYS ago.

This is just ridiculous. If you can't emotionally handle a conversation about Cairo Santos, bow out of the thread.

Steron · 12-31-2014, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Der Flöprer

I have no idea who that is.

He's on Storage Wars. He's a complete douche nozzle. Yuuuuuup is his call when he bids on a locker. I thought you were doing his 'yuuuuuuup'.

Direckshun · 12-31-2014, 01:16 PM

If you actually put a trademark on "yup," then you're dumber than Der Floprer.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-31-2014, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Steron

He's on Storage Wars. He's a complete douche nozzle. Yuuuuuup is his call when he bids on a locker. I thought you were doing his 'yuuuuuuup'.

He looks like a douche! I'm never doing that again!

Kman34 · 12-31-2014, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Steron

The Adam Vinatieri Patriots say hi.

The 1995 Chiefs kicker (who shall remain nameless) can eat shit and die along with Adam ****ing Vinatieri...

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-31-2014, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

If you actually put a trademark on "yup," then you're dumber than Der Floprer.

Der...

Steron · 12-31-2014, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kman34

The 1995 Chiefs kicker (who shall remain nameless) can eat shit and die along with Adam ****ing Vinatieri...

18 games won in the last minute including two Super Bowls says 'hi'.

Mr. Laz · 12-31-2014, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Steron

Wasn't he supposedly crushing the football in camp? I remember reading something to the tune of it sounded like gunshots when he hit the ball. Wonder what happened?

could be the weather

tiny guy doesn't have as much behind the kick as bigger guys

cold football could hurt distance for him more than others

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-31-2014, 01:21 PM

Kicking is easier than it's ever been. Eighty-plus percent is a minimum standard of competency, and kickers, like relievers, are highly volatile.

Succop was 28/32 qualifying PKs in accuracy last year and was set to make $3 MM. That's asinine.

Unless you are a Super Bowl contender that has a Vinatieri already on your team, there is zero reason not to go with a run-of-the-mill kicker. Some years they'll be the best kicker in football (Prater in '13), and the next year, they won't be able to hold down a job (Prater in '14).

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-31-2014, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Kicking is easier than it's ever been. Eighty-plus percent is a minimum standard of competency, and kickers, like relievers, are highly volatile.

Succop was 28/32 qualifying PKs in accuracy last year and was set to make $3 MM. That's asinine.

Unless you are a Super Bowl contender that has a Vinatieri already on your team, there is zero reason not to go with a run-of-the-mill kicker. Some years they'll be the best kicker in football (Prater in '13), and the next year, they won't be able to hold down a job (Prater in '14).

You win. I didn't know that. Way too much money.

Kman34 · 12-31-2014, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Steron

18 games won in the last minute including two Super Bowls says 'hi'.

Dude....I don't care....I HATE KICKERS

Mile High Mania · 12-31-2014, 01:30 PM

Kickers can be found... Barth worked out well for Denver.

Direckshun · 12-31-2014, 01:30 PM

Hamas always wins, with one problem.

WE HAVE A GAME MANAGING QUARTERBACK.

That means we NEED field goals to win. The Seahawks last year had Hauschka. We need a TOP THIRD kicker.

Nightfyre · 12-31-2014, 01:31 PM

Just to recap:

Direckshun says Santos needs to be cut after his rookie season. Then says we gave up on Medlock too early. Then points out that Santos is 8/12 from 40+. Then clay points out we shouldn't have cut Succop, even though his contract was ginormous. Turns out Succop was 7/11 from 40+, the range where Direckshun says kickers make their money.

Bringing competition in for Santos is a good idea. But that should happen in every training camp across the league. Make the decision about which kicker you keep going into the 53 man cuts. But don't draft a kicker, ffs. Caleb Sturgis, probably the top rated kicker to come out in a while, only his 78% of his FGs this year, and was 6/10 from 40-49 and 3/6 in 50+ range and he was in his second year.

Kman34 · 12-31-2014, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Hamas always wins, with one problem.

WE HAVE A GAME MANAGING QUARTERBACK.

That means we NEED field goals to win. The Seahawks last year had Hauschka. We need a TOP THIRD kicker.

No...We need to figure out how to kick more extra pts...

12-31-2014, 12:45 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4363447	The Chiefs need a new kicker. Cairo Santos is not a reliable kicker. I don't care about the 80-some percentage that Santos kicked on the year. He doesn't have a lot of leg, and the Chiefs don't trust him with anything other than short 20-to-40 yarders. He's dogshit in coverage -- I've never seen a kicker stick his legs out to tackle a kick returner, but Santos is so small and slow that that's all he can do. He doesn't have the confidence of the team. He doesn't have the confidence of the coaching staff. He doesn't have our confidence here, does he? His missed kicks were huge momentum swingers in the 1st game of the year that we lost -- had we beat that shit-ass Titans team, we'd be in the playoffs right now. His misses this year have been awful -- all misses are awful, but a good number of his misses have been knuckleballs that just flew off into oblivion. Even some of his connections have been awful -- his made kick in Denver this year was a low knuckler through the uprights. I'm done with Cairo. I respect Dave Toub's ability to turn even circus clowns into competent special teams contributors, but it's time to bring in an actual kicker. I vote Kyle Brindza out of Notre Dame, but I'm open to suggestions.
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12-31-2014, 01:15 PM	#46
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4363447	I was the first guy to be pissed off about the Alex Smith trade. I advocated Geno Smith that year. I have advocated the Chiefs take dynamic passers in nearly every draft, not game managers. But I'm not going to bang my head against the Alex Smith Brick Wall when we all know he's here for years. I'm giving Eric Fisher a pass? On what planet? Did you forget the conversation we had TWO DAYS ago. This is just ridiculous. If you can't emotionally handle a conversation about Cairo Santos, bow out of the thread.
Posts: 59,270

12-31-2014, 01:16 PM	#48
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4363447	If you actually put a trademark on "yup," then you're dumber than Der Floprer.
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12-31-2014, 01:21 PM	#54
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	Kicking is easier than it's ever been. Eighty-plus percent is a minimum standard of competency, and kickers, like relievers, are highly volatile. Succop was 28/32 qualifying PKs in accuracy last year and was set to make $3 MM. That's asinine. Unless you are a Super Bowl contender that has a Vinatieri already on your team, there is zero reason not to go with a run-of-the-mill kicker. Some years they'll be the best kicker in football (Prater in '13), and the next year, they won't be able to hold down a job (Prater in '14).
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12-31-2014, 01:30 PM	#57
Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $3667229	Kickers can be found... Barth worked out well for Denver. __________________
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12-31-2014, 01:31 PM	#59
Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $3628849	Just to recap: Direckshun says Santos needs to be cut after his rookie season. Then says we gave up on Medlock too early. Then points out that Santos is 8/12 from 40+. Then clay points out we shouldn't have cut Succop, even though his contract was ginormous. Turns out Succop was 7/11 from 40+, the range where Direckshun says kickers make their money. Bringing competition in for Santos is a good idea. But that should happen in every training camp across the league. Make the decision about which kicker you keep going into the 53 man cuts. But don't draft a kicker, ffs. Caleb Sturgis, probably the top rated kicker to come out in a while, only his 78% of his FGs this year, and was 6/10 from 40-49 and 3/6 in 50+ range and he was in his second year.
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