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Old 10-02-2014, 12:32 PM  
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Hemingway so far
So, how does everyone feel about Junior so far this year?

I am disappointed with the amount of targets (9) and he has 1 drop (and it was a bad one) but the rest of his stats are decent. 9.8 yds per reception. 24 yards after catch. And all 4 of his catches have been for 1st downs.

The one thing that has been impressive has been his downfield blocking. Of our WRs he is head and shoulders beyond anyone in this category. I'd actually like to see a stat for yardage on runs/screens/swing passes to his side when he is on the field.

So any thoughts on why he isn't seeing the field more(as a receiving threat and not just a blocker)? I know Htismaqe will say it's because he has trouble learning the offense(any offense) and this may be true. I agree with this to an extent but I expected him to be able to pick it up by now.
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Old 10-02-2014, 05:21 PM   #106
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Hyperbole much?
There are roughly 100 players occupying those roles. If anything, I'm underestimating how bad he his.

This is his third year in the NFL and he has 17 catches. Seventeen. He averages less than ten yards per catch. There is nothing about him that is noteworthy. He's end-of-the-roster ST trash, at best.
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Old 10-03-2014, 02:57 AM   #107
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My thoughts on Junior haven't changed since he was drafted and I told everyone he'd be on this team. In pre-season again, everyone was calling for him being cut, I said it wouldn't happen, it didn't.

He's a physical guy with a big body, total red zone threat type of guy on paper. His 1 drop this year was pretty bad, but he's been shining pretty well throughout the year, especially so on run blocking and special teams, serious emphasis on the special teams. Short of Phillip Gaines playing like a pro bowl cover guy, Junior would be getting some big rants and raves about his cover skills.

He's just not "Overly" talented, he's the type of guy who is going to put up a 40 for 550 statline once he gets a grip of the offense. He'll never be a #1 or a #2, but he's certainly a #3/#4 guy that will perform very well on special teams to keep his roster spot, and its guys like that who have a tendency to make plays when we need them the most.
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Old 10-03-2014, 03:23 AM   #108
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Better in the slot than Dex was
I disagree. Dex was good in the slot for reasons we didn't expect and reasons Tennessee is too dumb to notice. Dex would be doing really well in this new offense. Not because of speed. As a hands or possession receiver. Why Tennessee put him back in the gadget role, who the **** knows.

I agree with general consensus here. Hemingway is a phenomenal special teamer, very good blocker, and occasional pass catcher. He is basically the new terrence copper.
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Old 10-03-2014, 04:50 AM   #109
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Old 10-03-2014, 04:53 AM   #110
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This is just Michigan fanboy homerism at it's finest.
It's pathetic
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Old 10-03-2014, 07:47 AM   #111
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With Avery out for a while he'll get some more looks?
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Old 10-03-2014, 08:04 AM   #112
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I doubt he is even in the NFL next year.
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Old 10-03-2014, 08:37 AM   #113
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More of this nonsense. NO, you are dead ****ing wrong on this. He isn't a BURNER but he is plenty "fast" and quick and gets open. If that wasn't the case, there would be no reason why I am wondering why we seem to only use him in one way. It would make sense, in reality it doesn't.

Go back and actually watch the tape and you will see that he is rarely asked to get open, the times he is... he does.


oh, they don't 'ask' him to get open is the problem...i love that there is conspiracy afoot to suppress the talents of our #5 WR
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Old 10-03-2014, 11:07 AM   #114
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Why are people still talking about Junior? Definition of "nobody".
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Old 10-03-2014, 11:25 AM   #115
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Like O.City said, if it's not Junior Hemingway, there will be another JAG waiting in line to do the same JAG shit that Junior Hemingway is doing now.

We might upgrade Bowe. We might upgrade Avery. We might upgrade Jenkins. But I highly doubt that Dorsey and Reid are going to bolster our WR depth so much to the point of getting a better WR4 than Hemingway.

And if they do, it will be after many years of drafting WRs.
I understand what you're saying here, that there will always be role playing types in any WR corp, but I would prefer those guys have atleast one redeeming quality, preferably decent to good speed. People are saying he's a great blocker or has good hands or runs great routes, but the production vs time on the field scale is tipping the wrong way IMO.

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There are roughly 100 players occupying those roles. If anything, I'm underestimating how bad he his.

This is his third year in the NFL and he has 17 catches. Seventeen. He averages less than ten yards per catch. There is nothing about him that is noteworthy. He's end-of-the-roster ST trash, at best.
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Old 10-03-2014, 12:43 PM   #116
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My thoughts on Junior haven't changed since he was drafted and I told everyone he'd be on this team. In pre-season again, everyone was calling for him being cut, I said it wouldn't happen, it didn't.

He's a physical guy with a big body, total red zone threat type of guy on paper. His 1 drop this year was pretty bad, but he's been shining pretty well throughout the year, especially so on run blocking and special teams, serious emphasis on the special teams. Short of Phillip Gaines playing like a pro bowl cover guy, Junior would be getting some big rants and raves about his cover skills.

He's just not "Overly" talented, he's the type of guy who is going to put up a 40 for 550 statline once he gets a grip of the offense. He'll never be a #1 or a #2, but he's certainly a #3/#4 guy that will perform very well on special teams to keep his roster spot, and its guys like that who have a tendency to make plays when we need them the most.
So he like Jason Dunn.
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Old 10-03-2014, 01:29 PM   #117
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oh, they don't 'ask' him to get open is the problem...i love that there is conspiracy afoot to suppress the talents of our #5 WR
Yopu know, you can actually engage in conversation without being a dick. It's a novel concept but worth trying.

No one is claiming a conspiracy. I am however claiming (and have shown if you bothered reading or watching tape yourself) that the snaps he is in on are overwhelmingly ones where he is not even a potential target. The few times he IS asked to run a route and get open .. he overwhelmingly does. So, anyone claiming he doesn't get open is simply wrong and making shit up. Want to add to the discussion? Why don't you actually look at the plays he is in on and come back with an analysis... instead of simply acting like you know what you are talking about.
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Old 10-03-2014, 01:31 PM   #118
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With Avery out for a while he'll get some more looks?
In theory he shouldn't because that isn't a spot he would ever fill in any circumstance, but who knows. My guess is that Jenkins gets a bunch of those looks. He's much more Avery-esque (even down to the inability to hold on to balls)
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Old 10-03-2014, 01:32 PM   #119
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This is just Michigan fanboy homerism at it's finest...WRs like Hemingway are a dime a dozen in the NFL.
Damn, Claynus.

You gonna take that shit, AC?

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Yopu know, you can actually engage in conversation without being a dick. It's a novel concept but worth trying.

No one is claiming a conspiracy. I am however claiming (and have shown if you bothered reading or watching tape yourself) that the snaps he is in on are overwhelmingly ones where he is not even a potential target. The few times he IS asked to run a route and get open .. he overwhelmingly does. So, anyone claiming he doesn't get open is simply wrong and making shit up. Want to add to the discussion? Why don't you actually look at the plays he is in on and come back with an analysis... instead of simply acting like you know what you are talking about.
which the correct answer?:

he is what he is

he's awesome but for some reason our team refuses to acknowledge it


i don't have to 'analyze' reality...he's overachieved by even being on an nfl roster this long, and good for him
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