Chiefs Hemingway so far - Page 10

**AustinChief** · 03:38 PM

So, how does everyone feel about Junior so far this year?

I am disappointed with the amount of targets (9) and he has 1 drop (and it was a bad one) but the rest of his stats are decent. 9.8 yds per reception. 24 yards after catch. And all 4 of his catches have been for 1st downs.

The one thing that has been impressive has been his downfield blocking. Of our WRs he is head and shoulders beyond anyone in this category. I'd actually like to see a stat for yardage on runs/screens/swing passes to his side when he is on the field.

So any thoughts on why he isn't seeing the field more(as a receiving threat and not just a blocker)? I know Htismaqe will say it's because he has trouble learning the offense(any offense) and this may be true. I agree with this to an extent but I expected him to be able to pick it up by now.

**Easy 6** · 10-03-2014, 03:29 PM

Austin, dont ban me... but I'm not sure that theres anything anyone can say that isnt going to piss you off about this.

Reid is a guy who has gotten decent production from the likes of Baskett, Pinkston, Thrash etc, if Hemingway had anything more to offer than what he's shown, doesnt it stand to reason that Andy would find a way to pull it out of him?

As of right now, Andy hasnt watched tape and said to himself "wait a minute, I've been remiss here, look at this kid go"... if he has seen anything that makes him want to get Junior more involved, he'd have definitely involved him by now, 4 games in.

**AustinChief** · 10-03-2014, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Austin, dont ban me... but I'm not sure that theres anything anyone can say that isnt going to piss you off about this.

Reid is a guy who has gotten decent production from the likes of Baskett, Pinkston, Thrash etc, if Hemingway had anything more to offer than what he's shown, doesnt it stand to reason that Andy would find a way to pull it out of him?

As of right now, Andy hasnt watched tape and said to himself "wait a minute, I've been remiss here, look at this kid go"... if he has seen anything that makes him want to get Junior more involved, he'd have definitely involved him by now, 4 games in.

I am not claiming he has more to offer. I am trying to understand WHY he doesn't have more to offer. That's the point of this thread. So far no one has said anything that jumps out there as an obvious explanation. Things like "he never gets open" or "he is too slow" don't follow the FACTS, so there must be another reason. I am just looking for an answer to that question.

My biggest complaint about this thread is related to the useless comments like "well he just sux0rz!!!!!" or "he's trash." Fine, anyone has the right to FEEL that way but I am looking for something useful being added to the discussion. For those that say they don't care... that seems like a strange attitude when he is an active player on our team and is seeing so many snaps.

**Easy 6** · 10-03-2014, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

I am not claiming he has more to offer. I am trying to understand WHY he doesn't have more to offer.

This statement encapsulates my confusion with this argument in a nutshell.

WHY doesnt he have more to offer?... well, I guess many of us are simply seeing different things from him when we watch the games. All of these attributes being given to him by yourself and others arent being seen by others among us.

I'm not going to proclaim "my" side 100% right, either.

My argument, is that a head coach well known for rolling with somewhat lesser talent outside at times - and getting them to play above their heads - isnt doing much to push Junior into the spotlight... and that says a lot to myself and others.

He isnt getting more looks, because he cant handle more looks... IMO.

**AustinChief** · 10-03-2014, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

well, I guess many of us are simply seeing different things from him when we watch the games. All of these attributes being given to him by yourself and others arent being seen by others among us.

The problem i have here is that no one is willing to actually go back and look at the tape to see if they really are seeing anything different from me. Instead people just roll with how they "feel" they have seen him play. Which I why I broke down a number of series' and showed what was going on. Yet, people act as if that is all make believe... fine, I am willing to be wrong but at least have the decency to actually LOOK at the damn tape before making that assertion.

ModSocks · 10-03-2014, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

I am not claiming he has more to offer. I am trying to understand WHY he doesn't have more to offer. That's the point of this thread. So far no one has said anything that jumps out there as an obvious explanation. Things like "he never gets open" or "he is too slow" don't follow the FACTS, so there must be another reason. I am just looking for an answer to that question.

My biggest complaint about this thread is related to the useless comments like "well he just sux0rz!!!!!" or "he's trash." Fine, anyone has the right to FEEL that way but I am looking for something useful being added to the discussion. For those that say they don't care... that seems like a strange attitude when he is an active player on our team and is seeing so many snaps.

You're looking for an answer that no one has. You claim that he has an easy time getting open when that's clearly not the case. Also keep in mind that getting open as a 5th receiving option isn't the same as getting open when you're "the man". Defenses simply don't pay attention to Hemingway, and why should they?

Your question doesn't have an answer beyond "he simply isn't as good as you think he is".

Why isn't Vernon Gholston sacking QB's?

Because he just isn't that good. Judging by his measureables, he should be though, right?

Hell, why isn't Frankie Hammond getting more love? He's faster than Hemingway is.

What about Mark Harrison? 6-3 230lbs and runs a 4.4 forty. Why isn't he on the field making plays? He has good hands...good speed and certainly the frame for it.

Point is, you see guys like Hemingway every year and they do nothing.

He simply isn't that good. Why isn't he that good? Who freaking knows.

**AustinChief** · 10-03-2014, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

You're looking for an answer that no one has. You claim that he has an easy time getting open when that's clearly not the case.

The tape doesn't back you up on this. Please provide some proof like I already have. If you are saying, he isn't put in on many passing plays because he wouldn't get open on those plays... I can't argue that since it is pure conjecture. It's certainly possible.

ModSocks · 10-03-2014, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

The tape doesn't back you up on this. Please provide some proof like I already have. If you are saying, he isn't put in on many passing plays because he wouldn't get open on those plays... I can't argue that since it is pure conjecture. It's certainly possible.

A few plays here and there doesn't equate to regularly open. It's pretty simply. If he had such an easy time getting open, he would see the ball more.

And also, what tape? Telecast footage? Because we can't really see much from that.

ModSocks · 10-03-2014, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

Denver game

Pass Fasano - no Hemingway
Pass Kelce - no Hemingway
Pass Davis - no Hemingway
Incomplete Pass - no Hemingway
Incomplete Pass - no Hemingway
Pass to Hemingway overthrown.

I have attached the image.

What exactly is this telling us about Hemingway other than he couldn't get seperation on this play?

**Easy 6** · 10-03-2014, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

The problem i have here is that no one is willing to actually go back and look at the tape to see if they really are seeing anything different from me. Instead people just roll with how they "feel" they have seen him play. Which I why I broke down a number of series' and showed what was going on. Yet, people act as if that is all make believe... fine, I am willing to be wrong but at least have the decency to actually LOOK at the damn tape before making that assertion.

I'm trying to be as objective as I can, just saying that if he was showing the ability to do more, Reid would have him doing it.

Good blocker, good hands, good routes... if he was all of that, its my opinion that Jenkins wouldnt be getting the start over him sunday.

jd1020 · 10-03-2014, 04:23 PM

Wasn't it Hemingway that was too ****ing slow to throw a block on Bowe's long catch and run in the playoff game that would have been an easy TD? Then the Chiefs failed to score from the 2 and ended up kicking a FG.

Ya... **** him.

**the Talking Can** · 10-03-2014, 04:31 PM

this is borderline brian shay-ish

Don Corlemahomes · 10-03-2014, 05:49 PM

I predict many planeteers turning on their ad blockers in protest.

**AustinChief** · 10-05-2014, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

I'm trying to be as objective as I can, just saying that if he was showing the ability to do more, Reid would have him doing it.

Good blocker, good hands, good routes... if he was all of that, its my opinion that Jenkins wouldnt be getting the start over him sunday.

No chance, they are totally different types. Jenkins is in the Avery mold. Hemingway isn't changing spots.... I have just been wondering why he doesn't see more targets. Not a TON more just more. I don't think he is anything more than a solid #3 wr but right now he's an underutilized #3.

Well, he WAS underutilized until the opening drive of the SF game. I'll have to check the coaches film but I saw at least 3 plays where he was asked to be a passing option and of course he was targeted twice and caught both.

This is how I see him being effective. Nothing more, nothing less.

**AustinChief** · 10-05-2014, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

A few plays here and there doesn't equate to regularly open. It's pretty simply. If he had such an easy time getting open, he would see the ball more.

And also, what tape? Telecast footage? Because we can't really see much from that.

I go off NFL Rewind, coaches film. It's not perfect but good enough.

**Easy 6** · 10-05-2014, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

No chance, they are totally different types. Jenkins is in the Avery mold. Hemingway isn't changing spots.... I have just been wondering why he doesn't see more targets. Not a TON more just more. I don't think he is anything more than a solid #3 wr but right now he's an underutilized #3.

Well, he WAS underutilized until the opening drive of the SF game. I'll have to check the coaches film but I saw at least 3 plays where he was asked to be a passing option and of course he was targeted twice and caught both.

This is how I see him being effective. Nothing more, nothing less.

Its almost like Reid named Jenkins the starter to throw the niners off, Hemingway is getting a lot more looks than AJ right now.

That endaround or WHATEVER the hell it was to AJ looked awful.

10-02-2014, 12:32 PM
AustinChief Administrator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Austin Casino cash: $2499112	Hemingway so far So, how does everyone feel about Junior so far this year? I am disappointed with the amount of targets (9) and he has 1 drop (and it was a bad one) but the rest of his stats are decent. 9.8 yds per reception. 24 yards after catch. And all 4 of his catches have been for 1st downs. The one thing that has been impressive has been his downfield blocking. Of our WRs he is head and shoulders beyond anyone in this category. I'd actually like to see a stat for yardage on runs/screens/swing passes to his side when he is on the field. So any thoughts on why he isn't seeing the field more(as a receiving threat and not just a blocker)? I know Htismaqe will say it's because he has trouble learning the offense(any offense) and this may be true. I agree with this to an extent but I expected him to be able to pick it up by now. Last edited by AustinChief; 10-03-2014 at 03:38 PM..
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