Chiefs Does this Chiefs team have a good chance to win the SuperBowl? - Page 5

**BossChief** · 12-02-2016, 07:56 AM

Losing Gronk is gonna hurt NEs chances.

KC already beat Denver and Oakland in their houses.

KC is getting Maclin, Nelson and Ford back...and might get Jamaal Charles back for the playoffs.

If KC takes care of business in the division and splits with ATL/Tenn, they have a real chance to get HFA. That happens, this team can beat anyone in the AFC at Arrowhead.

If they make it to the Super Bowl, they have a good chance to take down Dallas, Atlanta or Seattle.

Do you guys think this season has a good chance to end with the Lombardi trophy coming to KC?

Eleazar · 12-02-2016, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Jesus. 19-3 in the last 22 games or whatever it is, with Alex (good not great) Smith at QB and Houston hurt for a bunch of games and "this team is poorly coached".

Really? REALLY?!

You judge the team by the team's performance as a whole. You judge individuals by their individual performances.

The team's record is good but if you look at Reid individually, every week, Reid is a net negative.

Reid never won anything in Philadelphia outside of making 1 Bowl appearance for these reasons. He has never changed. He gets out coached a lot. He's not a good play caller or game manager. Almost all the time this kills you in the postseason because the games are often close enough for every little thing to matter.

This team has managed a good record so far, through a mix of turnovers, luck, and improbable heroics.

The Chiefs are not really good against the run or the pass. They generate a pass rush which produces sacks, hurries, and turnovers. The Chiefs don't have a traditionally great defense in the sense of a defense that is good at stopping opponents from moving the ball.

This model is not sustainable.

Eventually you have to win a game straight away, with offense and defense and this team doesn't do that. We have very little offense and a defense that rides totally on big plays. The Chiefs can essentially only win one way, as it stands.

Championships are won in the trenches with consistency play to play and with greatness and balance in all phases. They are won by coaches and preparedness and game plans. They are won with consistently high levels of QB play.

This team is a prototypical regular season juggernaut, a classic case of Chiefish 12-4 or 13-3 with a first round exit.

**Lzen** · 12-02-2016, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon

You really can't get any worse than a player offing themselves in the parking lot

I'll bet you could.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 12-02-2016, 10:37 AM

Turnover differential and red zone defense have been our biggest strengths to this point.
A formidable pass rush with a secondary trying to get healthy will be what will win us our remaining games. An improved offense with Maclin returning will be icing on the cake.

**Rausch** · 12-02-2016, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayze

one thing I know for certain, with the Chiefs any time they are in a position to help themselves out in terms of running up to the playoffs, they screw themselves and make everything more difficult. Like if they have a shot for HFA (as a hypothetical example) as long as they beat average team X.....they'll lose. Or if they have a chance to win the division by winning their final two games, the'll lose one. Or, OK, Raiders lost their final game, all we have to do is win against the DeVry Fightin' Tigers and we lock up HFA.......we'd lose.

I expect no less this year.

Until they quit doing this we'll have every reason to expect it...

RunKC · 12-02-2016, 10:41 AM

Not if the offense keeps playing shitty. The end of the game in Denver was what we want to see from the offense.

The last time the Chiefs played good offense with Alex (before the Denver game) was October 23rd vs New Orleans.

That has to change

**Rausch** · 12-02-2016, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

However, you don't want to do it on the road. Two of KC's three losses were on the road - HOU and PIT, and ATL is better than both.

No way in hell.

I want the no 1 seed or the no 3.

I want no part of a healthy Pitt...

**Rausch** · 12-02-2016, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Not if the offense keeps playing shitty. The end of the game in Denver was what we want to see from the offense.

The last time the Chiefs played good offense with Alex (before the Denver game) was October 23rd vs New Orleans.

That has to change

That's the worst defense in the league and he only looked respectable that game...

**TimBone** · 12-02-2016, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

My guess is the AFCW teams are pretty similar... there's on 2 games that aren't identical.

4 games are different, accounting for the AFC West teams themselves.

**TimBone** · 12-02-2016, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

I voted no but this thinks we have a good chance.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...0&postcount=16

The problem with those things is that they don't account for the 'because Chiefs' factor.

Eleazar · 12-02-2016, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

No way in hell.

I want the no 1 seed or the no 3.

I want no part of a healthy Pitt...

One clue that your team might be a pretender vs a contender is that we pretty much all concede that we'd have no chance to win in the postseason on the road against the teams that are likely to be the 1 and 2 seeds.

Our most realistic Super Bowl scenario would involve securing the 2 seed and then beating NE on the road. That isn't going to happen.

Reid vs Belichick? Alex Smith vs Tom Brady? How many times out of 10 do you win those two matchups?

Mile High Mania · 12-02-2016, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Everyone keeps saying you need 12 wins to win the division, I'm not so sure on that...

If the Chiefs beat Oakland next week, Oakland has to go 3-1 or better with games vs. BUF, @ SD, vs. IND, @ DEN to get to 12 wins. I don't see them winning but 2 of those 4.

Oakland is a funny team, 2-2 should be expected, but they could run the table... I don't see them doing that though, but 3 of 4 shouldn't be surprising.

Mile High Mania · 12-02-2016, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TimBone

4 games are different, accounting for the AFC West teams themselves.

On the full season, 2 games are different...
KC:
Jets (3-8 now) KC won
@ Steelers (6-5 now) KC lost

DEN:
@ Bengals (3-7-1 now) DEN won
Patriots (9-2 now) DEN plays in 3 weeks

YTD...
KC has played the Jags (Den hasn't yet), Den played the Falcons (KC hasn't yet).

Mile High Mania · 12-02-2016, 10:59 AM

Remaining SOS has Denver ranked 4th, Chiefs 6th and Raiders 10th.

http://www.predictionmachine.com/Str...edule-Rankings

**TimBone** · 12-02-2016, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

On the full season, 2 games are different...
KC:
Jets (3-8 now) KC won
@ Steelers (6-5 now) KC lost

DEN:
@ Bengals (3-7-1 now) DEN won
Patriots (9-2 now) DEN plays in 3 weeks

YTD...
KC has played the Jags (Den hasn't yet), Den played the Falcons (KC hasn't yet).

Yes, but if we're averaging SOS for each AFC West team, you have to account for the teams themselves.

For example, the Chiefs have to play the Raiders twice. The Raiders don't have to play the Raiders twice. Instead, they're schedule has the Chiefs on it twice. That affects the overall SOS average.

Simply Red · 12-02-2016, 10:59 AM

I voted no - but it's not impossible. I just wouldn't call the chance 'good' yet.

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12-02-2016, 10:41 AM	#65
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Simply Red You Sweetie! Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021206219 VARSITY	I voted no - but it's not impossible. I just wouldn't call the chance 'good' yet.
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