Tamba Hali? MOTHER F*** you CARL!!

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

the problem with you guys is you expect far too much out of every single draft pick...

It's ridiculous.

You expect every 1st rounder to be a hall of famer...every 2nd round to be an all-pro...ever 3rd rounder to be a pro bowler...and every 4th rounder to be a 10 year starter.

It's pure insanity.

That's a wonderful strawman you've built.

[TheGuardian]

Comparing Ryans and Tamaba is comparing apples and oranges. One is a mike backer in a 40 front and the other is an outside linebacker in a 30 front. You Hamas nor anyone else can say which is better because it's like comparing a corner to a safety. Both play in the secondary but that's where the comparisons end.

But seriously Hamas, you said we woulda been better of drafting Thomas Howard. Who sucks absolute nuts, and always has. And I don't care what his numbers were.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Comparing Ryans and Tamaba is comparing apples and oranges. One is a mike backer in a 40 front and the other is an outside linebacker in a 30 front. You Hamas nor anyone else can say which is better because it's like comparing a corner to a safety. Both play in the secondary but that's where the comparisons end.

But seriously Hamas, you said we woulda been better of drafting Thomas Howard. Who sucks absolute nuts, and always has. And I don't care what his numbers were.

No one is saying that it's a direct comparison, but I think it's pretty safe to say that Demeco Ryans is a better football player than Tamba Hali. I'm sure you threw a similar shitfit when NFLN had their list of Top 100 players some time back.

So Thomas Howard sucks nuts because he has and no information will refute that. OK. Nice tautology, Ricky Roughnuts.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No one is saying that it's a direct comparison, but I think it's pretty safe to say that Demeco Ryans is a better football player than Tamba Hali. I'm sure you threw a similar shitfit when NFLN had their list of Top 100 players some time back.

So Thomas Howard sucks nuts because he has and no information will refute that. OK. Nice tautology, Ricky Roughnuts.

Thomas Howard isn't even a ****ing starter now. when he was, he was the softest ****ing linebacker I have seen in a while. Shit at the point, couldn't stack and shed to save his life. Not as soft as Bobby Carpenter but a damn sight close to it.

Either way your pre draft selections are some of the worst I've ever seen. Vernon Gholston, Thomas Howard....for the love of God man.

And no I think it's safe to say that Ryans is not a better football player than Tamba because the truth is, playing inside requires a lot less ability than playing on the edge. Don't think so? Who makes more money, edge rushers or inside backers on average?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Thomas Howard isn't even a ****ing starter now. when he was, he was the softest ****ing linebacker I have seen in a while. Shit at the point, couldn't stack and shed to save his life. Not as soft as Bobby Carpenter but a damn sight close to it.

Either way your pre draft selections are some of the worst I've ever seen. Vernon Gholston, Thomas Howard....for the love of God man.

And no I think it's safe to say that Ryans is not a better football player than Tamba because the truth is, playing inside requires a lot less ability than playing on the edge. Don't think so? Who makes more money, edge rushers or inside backers on average?

It's a complete different skillset #1, and anyone who has even watched football, let alone rode the NAIA bench would know that.

Furthermore, the Howard comp was in their third season when he was a starter and was routinely producing, while Hali was the premier pass rusher on the worst pass rushing team of all time. Not the division, not the conference, not the year. EVAR.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It's a complete different skillset #1, and anyone who has even watched football, let alone rode the NAIA bench would know that.

Furthermore, the Howard comp was in their third season when he was a starter and was routinely producing, while Hali was the premier pass rusher on the worst pass rushing team of all time. Not the division, not the conference, not the year. EVAR.

Howard has never been worth a dogs shaved ass. Producing how? Because he made tackles 7 yards down field? You flat out did not watch the guy play if you say he was producing and that isn't even a ****ing argument. The guy sucked. He's riding pine for a reason now.

Furthermore, Hali is still the only pass rush threat we have. If we get someone on the otherside of the him, he's going to be a 10+ sack a year guy. I think everyone should ****ing know that by now.

[Hootie]

I don't know how anyone comes to the conclusion that Demeco Ryans is a better football player than Tamba Hali...

but hey, whatever...lol

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

I don't know how anyone comes to the conclusion that Demeco Ryans is a better football player than Tamba Hali...

but hey, whatever...lol

Watching them both play? Ryans was DROY, has been to two Pro Bowls for a team of low visibility (this isn't Roy Williams making it b/c he was with Dallas) and he was a 1x All-Pro.

That being said, it's obvious you can't say that Tom Brady is a better football player than Jerheme Urban, as they play different positions.

[Hootie]

It's like what I just said...

Stats don't count for Chiefs fans because they watch the Chiefs games and everyone acquiring these stats has to pass the "eye" test...

but since these same people probably don't get to watch 16 Texans games, or 16 Jets games, or 16 Packers games (etc. etc. etc.) stats execute their arguments for them just fine.

I'll tell you this right now...

I don't think 155 tackles on a shitty defense is indicative of anything...I've seen Demeco Ryans and the Texans play more than a few times...

He's certainly a solid player...but it's not like they got a whole lot worse when he got injured...they have been a bad defense every single year they've been in the NFL...

Demeco Ryans is CLEARLY not a gamechanger...

Hali is...

Ryans may be a more complete football player, but Hali can change games...so...?

Who do you take?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Demeco Ryans is CLEARLY not a gamechanger...

Hali is...

Ryans may be a more complete football player, but Hali can change games...so...?

Who do you take?

You take whomever you need.

The Chiefs at the time needed someone opposite Jared Allen. The Texans needed an MLB.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You take whomever you need.

The Chiefs at the time needed someone opposite Jared Allen. The Texans needed an MLB.

ok well...

why is this debate even ongoing then?

Right now it looks like Hali, despite some early career struggles, has turned into quite the solid 1st round pick.

Yay Carl, yay Chiefs.

[Hootie]

not by a long shot?!?!?

Ahahahahaha.

Ok.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

not by a long shot?!?!?

Ahahahahaha.

Ok.

Exactly. You have nothing to offer as a rebuttal, because you, who were just bitching about stats, has no reference to how the Jets play other than stats.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Exactly. You have nothing to offer as a rebuttal, because you, who were just bitching about stats, has no reference to how the Jets play other than stats.

and you study every Jets game????



I bet I've watched as many Jets games this year as you have.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

and you study every Jets game????



I bet I've watched as many Jets games this year as you have.

I bet you haven't. There's this thing on D* called Short Cuts. You don't get it slinging marinara or while your roomies are dropping n-bombs on your computer at the bar.