The flawed logic of Mizzou fans

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by bowener

Mizzou fans care so much about the past successes of defeated rivals that NOBODY is even talking about the game on campus. It is over. We won. Nebraska was great at times in the past, but in the present they suck. Recruiting is going to get hard for them and it could get very ugly before it gets better.
Mizzou has a 30 year gap in success. We celebrate our tradition of losing by being absolutely f***ing tickled pink by winning all the damn time, and by huge margins. Lets hope we can keep it up and begin a new era in the tradition of the Missouri Tigers. I hope the big red can rebound so that our future meetings are more exciting and worthwhile.

MU isnt big enough of a program to consistently lure in the best talent in the nation. Top 100 rivals players go to schools like OU TX USC ND OSU MICH FSU FLA MIA PENNST WISC and so on.

After Daniel, Maclin, Coffman, Hood, Weatherspoon, Moore leave, MU fball will go back to mediocrity. Pinkel was lucky enough to taylor made an offense that is explosive and to have a QB thats good enough and knows it just as good as the coaches do.

If MU is going to make a run at the NC, they MUST do it this year......because if not, they won't for a very long time. Theyre simply not a big enough of a program that players will recognize and wanna come to. That's Pinkels next biggest obstacle.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

MU isnt big enough of a program to consistently lure in the best talent in the nation. Top 100 rivals players go to schools like OU TX USC ND OSU MICH FSU FLA MIA PENNST WISC and so on.

After Daniel, Maclin, Coffman, Hood, Weatherspoon, Moore leave, MU fball will go back to mediocrity. Pinkel was lucky enough to taylor made an offense that is explosive and to have a QB thats good enough and knows it just as good as the coaches do.

If MU is going to make a run at the NC, they MUST do it this year......because if not, they won't for a very long time. Theyre simply not a big enough of a program that players will recognize and wanna come to. That's Pinkels next biggest obstacle.

You sound as bitter as Sam. The thing Pinkel has going for him is that he actually makes an effort to get his freshmen in the game, especially during a rout. I think young kids will see this and want to play for a coach with that mentality.

[KC Kings]

Originally Posted by Bowser

You sound as bitter as Sam. The thing Pinkel has going for him is that he actually makes an effort to get his freshmen in the game, especially during a rout. I think young kids will see this and want to play for a coach with that mentality.

Exactly. Pinkle, and the relationships that he delevopes with the players makes for a much better team. The week that camp started a frehman DE from Raytown got a phone call from the NCAA Clearinghouse saying that he was under investigation about 1 trimester of math missing from his freshman year of high school. Had he known, he would have retaken it but since he had already taken college courses over the summer it was not possible to retake the trimester.

This was the first week of camp with an issue regarding an 18 DE that was going to be redshirted. Pinkle called his father and sent 2 letters to the clearinghouse that were not required, (a bunch if legal work was done in the back ground). He ended up being waived and got to rejoin practice after a week, but the point is that Pinkle went the extra mile. The sports community is much smaller than you think, and those little acts will go a long way.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

MU isnt big enough of a program to consistently lure in the best talent in the nation. Top 100 rivals players go to schools like OU TX USC ND OSU MICH FSU FLA MIA PENNST WISC and so on.

After Daniel, Maclin, Coffman, Hood, Weatherspoon, Moore leave, MU fball will go back to mediocrity. Pinkel was lucky enough to taylor made an offense that is explosive and to have a QB thats good enough and knows it just as good as the coaches do.

If MU is going to make a run at the NC, they MUST do it this year......because if not, they won't for a very long time. Theyre simply not a big enough of a program that players will recognize and wanna come to. That's Pinkels next biggest obstacle.

Mediocrity? Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think 8-4 next year is the benchmark and 9-3 certainly isn't out of the question. The O-Line will be very good, D-Wash et al. will be excellent, and Denario, Perry, Jones, Jackson, Kemp, etc. will be fine (and that's assuming Maclin goes pro). Gabbert won't play like Daniel, but he won't have to.

The defense is where things get interesting. Losing Moore, Christopher and Hood will be big. Losing Garrett and Bridges won't matter much. If Spoon stays, he and Lambert will be fine as LBs. Gachkar would be the third when one is needed. Replacing Sulak and Chavis could be difficult as well. Current true freshman Jacques Smith will start on one side and I'd imagine Coulter will start on the other. Kenji Jackson will man one safety spot with Howard or Ricks at the other spot.

Given our schedule next year, I think MU will be fine.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Mediocrity? Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think 8-4 next year is the benchmark and 9-3 certainly isn't out of the question. The O-Line will be very good, D-Wash et al. will be excellent, and Denario, Perry, Jones, Jackson, Kemp, etc. will be fine (and that's assuming Maclin goes pro). Gabbert won't play like Daniel, but he won't have to.

The defense is where things get interesting. Losing Moore, Christopher and Hood will be big. Losing Garrett and Bridges won't matter much. If Spoon stays, he and Lambert will be fine as LBs. Gachkar would be the third when one is needed. Replacing Sulak and Chavis could be difficult as well. Current true freshman Jacques Smith will start on one side and I'd imagine Coulter will start on the other. Kenji Jackson will man one safety spot with Howard or Ricks at the other spot.

Given our schedule next year, I think MU will be fine.

All that said, yeah, we're boom or bust this year.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Rausch

All that said, yeah, we're boom or bust this year.

Sure, and we certainly have opportunities for bust. OSU, Texas, OU in the title game will all give MU all they want.

Back on topic of Nebraska, I still can't figure out what their fans are thinking. Before the season, many on their boards were predicting a 10-2 or 9-3 record, which is still theoretically possible. However, I don't see that team doing anything near that. Most believed that Bo would bring intensity and fire to the defense which would improve them to a top 25-30 defense (it was noted that the talent was there; they just needed the brilliant coaching). If you saw the game on Saturday, you know that isn't happening with that group. Heck, there were many Husker fans predicting a win over MU due to some super-secret defensive scheme that had them and their coaches giddy. The 3-3-5 was tried by Arkansas last year and equaled fail. Glass-half-full is great, but some of this was just nuts.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Mediocrity? Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think 8-4 next year is the benchmark and 9-3 certainly isn't out of the question. The O-Line will be very good, D-Wash et al. will be excellent, and Denario, Perry, Jones, Jackson, Kemp, etc. will be fine (and that's assuming Maclin goes pro). Gabbert won't play like Daniel, but he won't have to.

The defense is where things get interesting. Losing Moore, Christopher and Hood will be big. Losing Garrett and Bridges won't matter much. If Spoon stays, he and Lambert will be fine as LBs. Gachkar would be the third when one is needed. Replacing Sulak and Chavis could be difficult as well. Current true freshman Jacques Smith will start on one side and I'd imagine Coulter will start on the other. Kenji Jackson will man one safety spot with Howard or Ricks at the other spot.

Given our schedule next year, I think MU will be fine.

Gone is the great field position Maclin provided for MU that and some TD's.

Gabbert WILL have to play like Daniel in order for this kinda offense to be as effective, especially if the defense will take a step back like I expect.

Gone is Coffman.......HUUUUGE loss, though the other TE is going to be good someday....just not next year.

Spoon won't stay.....he'll be a first day pick.

Not to mention that Dave Christenson (MU off coord) will at some point in the next 2 years will get a HC offer. You can almost assure that.

I'm not being bitter.....I'm just trying to look at reality and look at what MU will be missing. I'm just saying that Pinkel has a long ways to go before kids will start recognizing MU as a school to play football at. But MU is a great team, top 5 is well deserving of this team. I think MU would smoke anyone in the God forsaken SEC.

Most powerhouse programs reload, not rebuild. MU is still that rebuilding stage in it's program and will be a while before they can start reloading, it will take lots of consistent success and conference titles.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

MU isnt big enough of a program to consistently lure in the best talent in the nation. Top 100 rivals players go to schools like OU TX USC ND OSU MICH FSU FLA MIA PENNST WISC and so on.

After Daniel, Maclin, Coffman, Hood, Weatherspoon, Moore leave, MU fball will go back to mediocrity. Pinkel was lucky enough to taylor made an offense that is explosive and to have a QB thats good enough and knows it just as good as the coaches do.

If MU is going to make a run at the NC, they MUST do it this year......because if not, they won't for a very long time. Theyre simply not a big enough of a program that players will recognize and wanna come to. That's Pinkels next biggest obstacle.

Ignorant post, but I'm sure that what you were going for.

1. All the great players you mentioned were 3 star recruits or less except for Maclin. Daniel was a 3 star, Weatherspoon was a 2 star, Moore was a 2 star, Coffman was a 3, Ziggy was a 3.

2. Thus, it's obvious that this coaching staff is highly adept at coaching up players and finding the diamonds in the rough that fit their style of play. If something happens once or twice you can say it's an aberration, but at this point it's a trend that Pinkel & co. will continue to find athletic, under the radar 2 and 3 star players that will be great in this system.

Now that we're getting looks at commitments from elite 4 and 5 star players, the future looks even brighter. Understandably we'll fall off next year due to losing so much top-shelf talent, but the program will be fine.

Might want to do more research before attempting to sound intelligent when talking college football.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

Ignorant post, but I'm sure that what you were going for.

1. All the great players you mentioned were 3 star recruits or less except for Maclin. Daniel was a 3 star, Weatherspoon was a 2 star, Moore was a 2 star, Coffman was a 3, Ziggy was a 3.

2. Thus, it's obvious that this coaching staff is highly adept at coaching up players and finding the diamonds in the rough that fit their style of play. If something happens once or twice you can say it's an aberration, but at this point it's a trend that Pinkel & co. will continue to find athletic, under the radar 2 and 3 star players that will be great in this system.

Now that we're getting looks at commitments from elite 4 and 5 star players, the future looks even brighter. Understandably we'll fall off next year due to losing so much top-shelf talent, but the program will be fine.

Might want to do more research before attempting to sound intelligent when talking college football.

A Trend?!?!? MU has been good for 1 year. BTW Chase and Coffman both were 4 stars.

You can have all the 2-3 star players you want......but when it comes down to it we are gonna get beat by schools like Texas and Oklahoma.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

A Trend?!?!? MU has been good for 1 year. BTW Chase and Coffman both were 4 stars.

No you buffoon, they were both 3 stars.

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewpros...1&pr_key=27095

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewpros...1&pr_key=26802

And yes, there is a trend of developing 2 and 3 star recruits into outstanding, All-Big 12-type players. Do some research and you will see that the majority of our best players were not elite recruits.

You can have all the 2-3 star players you want......but when it comes down to it we are gonna get beat by schools like Texas and Oklahoma.

Good comeback. Way to use a lot of compelling evidence.

[kepp]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

BTW Chase and Coffman both were 4 stars.

Chase: http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73...=1&nid=1166259

Weatherspoon: http://missouri.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=64420

Moore: http://missouri.rivals.com/cviewplay...8&player=36360

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

A Trend?!?!? MU has been good for 1 year. BTW Chase and Coffman both were 4 stars.

You can have all the 2-3 star players you want......but when it comes down to it we are gonna get beat by schools like Texas and Oklahoma.

Rivals has both Coffman and Daniel as 3 star prospects. Weatherspoon was a 2. Sulak was a 2. Hood was a 2 (he may have been bumped to a 3 just prior to signing, I can't recall.) Moore was a 3. Of course, Brad Smith was a 2. Rucker was a 3. Fisher was a 2 that bumped to a 3, IIRC. Saunders was a 2. Franklin a 3.

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

MU isnt big enough of a program to consistently lure in the best talent in the nation.

They're simply not a big enough of a program that players will recognize and wanna come to. That's Pinkels next biggest obstacle.

The MU football program hasn't been in better hands with Pinkel at the helm since Dan Devine roamed the sidelines at Mizzou.

[gblowfish]

I agree. Mizzou needs to concentrate on OSU. That'll be a much tougher game. They better focus or it could be trouble.

[CoMoChief]

The point is the best players go to the best programs......MU isn't one of those.....no on here can argue that. Until that happens they won't be known as a football school.

Same with basketball. You see most McD's kids go to Duke , UNC, KU, UCLA, Kentucky and so on......guess what......they are always in the hunt the for the national title year in and year out. It's not hard to figure out.

MU is losing a lot after this season. People underestimate how great Chase Daniel is with this offense. after he's gone the most important position in this offense goes to someone with less experience......Good luck.

But this whole argument is about MU wanting to have what OU TX and NEB have. Those are football programs. NEB has been having down seasons recently but they still get cream of the crop talent. MUs had a nice little run of a couple years being a great team and fun as shit to watch on offense.

But after this season and unlike teams like TX and OU that can just reload, MU will have some years where they win 7 games.