Chiefs Justin Houston holding out? - Page 6

**BossChief** · 05-27-2014, 05:55 PM

I heard he isn't showing up for otas

**RealSNR** · 05-27-2014, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

he will get at least 70 million

Clay Matthews is the highest at 66 and hes wayyyyyy better than him. Like BossChief said, Houston will be the highest paid OLBer in the NFL whether its by the Chiefs or someone else.

He's way better when he's healthy.

I haven't seen him put together a full season since his rookie year, though. He's almost not worth having on your team with how much time he constantly misses every season.

CoMoChief · 05-27-2014, 09:44 PM

So here we have, a young stud OL in his prime, already a 2-time Pro Bowler, who's severely underpaid (in terms of his production greatly exceeding his pay) and is in a contact year (from a rookie 3rd rd draft pick contract) coming off of a season where a shoulder injury caused him to miss about a quarter of the season....and people are upset he's missing "voluntary" OTA's.

....like this surprised some people? He's doing the smart and safe decision. These OTA workouts don't matter. He's not learning anything new. Training camp matters, 11 on 11 reps matter. If he starts missing a lot of camp days, then is the time to be concerned....but not now.

Titty Meat · 05-27-2014, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

Not even close. Are you slipping back into homerism? Be always on your guard, young one.

Houstons weakness was always against the run he improved in that aspect by week 8 of his rookie season. Matthews has been injury prone probably from the roids. If both players were free agents next year and I had to pick one it would be Houston.

OldSchool · 05-27-2014, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

Justin Houston also has multiple 10+ sack seasons. I'm not sure what you are getting at. Justin Houston has also been to the pro bowl twice in three seasons even though you are trying to lie about Clay Matthews being to 5 of them when he's only been to 4.

Justin Houston is on pace to project out way better than Clay Matthews in a five year sample barring injury. Plus on top of that, NFL contract inflation he is absolutely 4 million better than Matthews in the year 2014. The NFL is a what have you done for me lately league not a what did you do in the year 2010 league.

Houston has Hali playing opposite of him. Matthews has no one to speak of to help him in that front-7.

And you're right on the Pro-bowl thing, I mistakenly counted 5 for Matthews when he has 4 to go along with his 2 All-Pros.

Houston has also gotten virtually all of his sacks against poor competition (7.5 of his sacks alone last year came against 2 rookies who were all of 0-2 games into their NFL careers).

Is he a good player? Yeah. Is he $70 million good, making him the highest paid OLB (not counting Mario Williams) in the league? Hell no. I'd rather let him go if that's what he was asking for. It would be more crippling for this team to pay Houston that kind of money than for them to pay Alex Smith that same kind of money.

**RealSNR** · 05-28-2014, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Houston has Hali playing opposite of him. Matthews has no one to speak of to help him in that front-7.

And you're right on the Pro-bowl thing, I mistakenly counted 5 for Matthews when he has 4 to go along with his 2 All-Pros.

Houston has also gotten virtually all of his sacks against poor competition (7.5 of his sacks alone last year came against 2 rookies who were all of 0-2 games into their NFL careers).

Is he a good player? Yeah. Is he $70 million good, making him the highest paid OLB (not counting Mario Williams) in the league? Hell no. I'd rather let him go if that's what he was asking for. It would be more crippling for this team to pay Houston that kind of money than for them to pay Alex Smith that same kind of money.

Do you know what the LOLB does in a 3-4 defense?

The duties are different than that of your pure weakside passrusher.

Yes, the LOLB does a lot of passrushing. It also has a lot more coverage duties. Hali's days in a Chief uniform are numbered after the 2014 season, and it would be a shame to have to replace Houston as well when the LOLB is actually a bit more difficult to coach up if they don't have prior experience with the position in college.

**Gadzooks** · 05-28-2014, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Do you know what the LOLB does in a 3-4 defense?

The duties are different than that of your pure weakside passrusher.

Yes, the LOLB does a lot of passrushing. It also has a lot more coverage duties. Hali's days in a Chief uniform are numbered after the 2014 season, and it would be a shame to have to replace Houston as well when the LOLB is actually a bit more difficult to coach up if they don't have prior experience with the position in college.

The LOLB also has to be more solid against the run since the tendency for most offenses is to run to the strong side due to the added blocking from the TE.
(Just sayin')

R8RFAN · 05-28-2014, 05:12 AM

Pay the man you Cheap bastards

TEX · 05-28-2014, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Hog

Thats ridiculous Houston is a better all around player than Matthews.

Not yet he's not. I think most would agree, except for maybe the homers on this board. Even then I bet most would say Mathews is a better all around player.

TEX · 05-28-2014, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Go **** yourself.

Any person who knows enough to keep breathing knew I didn't mean get the deal done tonight.

For your sake I hope they have a generator hooked up to your life support.

Dude, seriously are you reeruned? If so, that would explain a lot and I'm sorry for appealing to your reading / comprehension skills. I should have used another method so you could have more easily connected the dots...My bad.

**SAUTO** · 05-28-2014, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Dude, seriously are you reeruned? If so, that would explain a lot and I'm sorry for appealing to your reading / comprehension skills. I should have used another method so you could have more easily connected the dots...My bad.

again go **** yourself.
you started this by disagreeing when I said the time is now...

they are entering the last year of their contracts, when IS the RIGHT time in your opinion?

R8RFAN · 05-28-2014, 05:54 AM

Cheaps already had their good year last year, now they will let all the good players walk and rebuild for another run in 5 years

TEX · 05-28-2014, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

again go **** yourself.
you started this by disagreeing when I said the time is now...

they are entering the last year of their contracts, when IS the RIGHT time in your opinion?

I answered it several times. I cant help it if you have comprehension issues...BTW, it was you who started it when you chimed in," The time is NOW" to my post. Its all on this thread, go back and read for yourself. Oops, there's that whole "comprehension" thing again....Lucky for you its pretty straight forward and I didn't use big words.

**SAUTO** · 05-28-2014, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX

I answered it several times. I cant help it if you have comprehension issues...BTW, it was you who started it when you chimed in," The time is NOW" to my post. Its all on this thread, go back and read for yourself. Oops, there's that whole "comprehension" thing again....Lucky for you its pretty straight forward and I didn't use big words.

yeah I said the time is now, you disagreed and said the chiefs should do it on their schedule.

what does that mean? you have no opinion? if that's the case just

.

otherwise say when you think the time is to do their deals, because at this point you are looking like the dumbass you are by implying we should wait until their deals are over to try to resign them and take the chance on them walking in free agency.

they are entering the final year of their contracts SO the time is now to get a deal done if that's what we are going to attempt to do.

and for the nit picking dumbass(you tex) now means prior to the season starting.

kindly go stick your fist back up your ass where it belongs. dumbass

TEX · 05-28-2014, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

again go **** yourself.
you started this by disagreeing when I said the time is now...

they are entering the last year of their contracts, when IS the RIGHT time in your opinion?

Sorry, there I go again... Skip the reading. I said after June 1. I know you're S-L-O-W so again, AFTER JUNE 1, AFTER JUNE 1, AFTER JUNE 1...Comprendo??? BTW, I just made a donation to the Harris County Center For the Mentally reeruned in your name. So please now will you kindly

???

**SAUTO** · 05-28-2014, 06:07 AM

and I skimmed through the thread and saw me ask several times when the time is to try and get that extension and ive not seen you answer it.

except with an "on the chiefs schedule"

which means you are copping out. pussy.

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SAUTO Shit Join Date: Jun 2008 Casino cash: $10039067	and I skimmed through the thread and saw me ask several times when the time is to try and get that extension and ive not seen you answer it. except with an "on the chiefs schedule" which means you are copping out. pussy.
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